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This is what I would say is a classic example of misunderstanding one of the basic concepts of natural selection or evolution. When I was 12, I heard the example of a creature evolving a long neck to reach food higher up being explained. My big question: "How could evolution or 'nature' have known to suddenly mutate a gene and give the successive generations of creatures longr necks in order to reach the food?"
My confusion lasted about 10 minutes. In a very simple example: "Evolution," "nature," or even a given member of this species didn't "know to do anything." The creatures with longer necks were able to reach the food, so they ate and lived to pass on their gene to their offspring. Long-neck genes and all. Meanwhile, the ones with the shorter necks died off, not being able to feed themselves. "Nature" didn't need to "know" or "desire" anything at all. The "long-neck" gene continued to be passed on and evolve because that trait allowed them to reach food.
So, sex being the act of reproduction, the creatures that have more sex will reproduce more successfully. Animals (in general or those within a given species) that enjoy sex more will inevitably have more sex and reproduce more. Those that enjoy it less will have it less, and reproduce less.
Now specific to the orgasm: the orgasm is just a pleasurable reaction to a specific type of stimulation. It's not as if some generation of humans (or whatever) suddenly said, "if only we could enjoy sex even more..." and bam, the orgasm evolves. Rather, as those organisms who enjoyed sex more, had more sex and reproduced more, the successive generations were made up increasingly of creatures/animals that enjoyed sex moreso than their evolutionary ancestors. As the "sex results in pleasureable nerve response" genes get passed on and evolve, the orgasm evolves as a logical extension of this process - this process being natural selection. Those creatures that experience orgasm more, have more sex due to a heightened enjoyment of sex.
As for desire, it has little to do with evolution, near as I can tell. In fact, the question: Which came first, the desire for orgasm or the orgasm? doesn't even make much sense to me, because desire isn't really a part of the evolutionary process (not at the biological level, anyway).
Now, do you see that? You yourself said that orgasm did not happend in split second 'BAM" when some animal just decided to get pleasure from sex. Dude, stop throwing volleys against people.
Quote:It just cannot happen on one day BAM as you said.
Originally Posted by Inside Edge
I never said that. I'm afraid I'll have to agree with many of the other posters...you just don't seem to understand or read clearly many of the posts counter to your opinion.
Dude, C'mon. Do you see it now.
Last edited by Intrepid99; 4th August 2004 at 12:43 AM.
What matters is that Inside edge was making unnecesary and unjustified comments. Against himself and me. Thats the reason I posted his previous two posts.
Allright, tell me what came first, Orgasm or desire for orgasm. Anyway, it would reach a point where you would talk about instincts. As you requested, I tried to save your bandwidth but you refused.
If you are so eager, take it on.
Where did instinct for orgasm or desire for it come from.
for the former, wouldn't larger muscle contraction by the male organ force the "seed" over larger area of eggs in that type of reproduction. more ferilization, more offspring, the better the population survives. Did you check NCBI for answers yourself before you asked here?
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It just cannot happen on one day BAM as you said. 
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