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29th July 2004, 10:22 AM
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Reps: 562 (power: 0) | | | You're right, the_gloaming. I assumed #1 was true for the purposes of my response, and that's why my response isn't entirely correct. I don't think my dog makes a conscious decision to eat horse manure, but she sure takes pleasure in it.
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29th July 2004, 10:24 AM
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Reps: 64 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Nathan David OK, no problem.
Volition: animals desire sex, and make a conscious decision (volition) to pursue sexual relations.
Perception: animals perceive that they enjoy sex.
I disagree in terms of a definition of conscious. I'm not sure how many animals out there can orgasm but I would think only humans and maybe chimps would be able to make a conscious decision, if being conscious means being self-aware. |
29th July 2004, 10:25 AM
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29th July 2004, 10:28 AM
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haha...i know what you mean...i'm pretty sure my labrador enjoys it too. It's mostly semantics though; I had to check the dictionary several times for words which I thought I understood the meaning of but had to make sure. |
29th July 2004, 10:30 AM
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Oh yeah...oops. Anyone know if they have orgasms ? |
29th July 2004, 11:09 AM
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Reps: 12,201 (power: 22) | | Originally Posted by Colossians Not more NECESSARY more EFFECTIVE. To use an analogy, a bow and arrow will kill, but a gun is far more efficient.
You are comparing apples with oranges: evolution has no perception or intelligence. You analogy is moot.
I am not comparing anything I am using an analogy to illustrate the difference between the words "Necessary" and "effective" in the hope you will grasp it. Evidently not. The point still stands, we are discussing something which increases efficiency here not something which is necessary. Since analogies seem to baffle you I am not certain how else I can explain the conceptual difference.
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29th July 2004, 11:13 AM
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Reps: 12,201 (power: 22) | | Originally Posted by Nathan David I think this is the best worded of the many correct answers to the questions in the OP.
I also think there is a misconception in the OP. Animals do not desire orgasm, they desire sex. Once they experience orgasm, they are likely to desire sex even more through simple Pavlovian conditioning.
Exactly.
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29th July 2004, 12:03 PM
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We really did come from a rock.
And some of us didn't get very far.
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29th July 2004, 12:10 PM
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29th July 2004, 12:15 PM
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You win the username prize.
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