what a difference a little time makes.

presto chango.

leaders in the church "come as you are."

to leaders in the church "dress up so people will know you're important."











before anyone complains that I'm picking on any one denomination, these are various. Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox.

Presto Chango.

Lord's supper, a full meal, shared with all believers.

nowadays: little piece of bread, maybe some wine, maybe not, sometimes only for "your kind of believer."







before anyone complains that I'm picking on any one denomination, these are various. Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox.

Presto Chango.

Then: meeting in homes, for the most part.

nowadays:






before anyone complains that I'm picking on any one denomination, these are various. Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox.

just an observation on a few points of Christianity as a WHOLE. This is not a denominational issue.

I guess it is the sprinkles that decorate the cookie. For the outward appearance means nothing to God but what is in the heart. Even the lowly and the poor are great in the eyes of the Lord. It is the lofty and the proud that do not.

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"Suffer not the little children to come to me."

Originally Posted by Uphill Battle

just an observation on a few points of Christianity as a WHOLE. This is not a denominational issue.

So you have observed that priests wear vestments, which have not changed for 2,000 years, while complaining that people worship in churches, which is not the same as 2,000 years ago.

What is your point, exactly? Do you want everything to remain the same forever, as with the vestments, or everything to change, as with the building of churches?

Or are you just complaining about anything you can find to complain about?

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1 peter 3:3-4
3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

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It is better to be divided by truth than united in sin.
It is better to be hated for telling the truth than liked for telling a lie.
It is better to stand alone with truth, than be wrong with the multitude.

~A Rogers

Originally Posted by Catherineanne

So you have observed that priests wear vestments, which have not changed for 2,000 years,

Prove that Christian ministers have wore vestments for 2000 years does the didache talk about it? how bout Martyr? or Ireneaus? or Hermes?

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It is better to speak the truth that hurts than falsehoods that comfort.
It is better to be divided by truth than united in sin.
It is better to be hated for telling the truth than liked for telling a lie.
It is better to stand alone with truth, than be wrong with the multitude.

~A Rogers

I'd like you to subsatiate that priests, pastors, whatever... have worn fancy robes from the very start. Good luck with that.

not complaining. just observing. take from it what you want.

I don't remember stating what I think of it. Just observing.

again... I don't see anywhere where I registered a complaint.

The 'priest class' was commanded by God in O.T. law to wear very certain and meticulously made garments. Certain called ones in Israel at that time were also instructed to build, the Ark for example, and eventually the Temple.

There have been no such commands since except by men.

Matt. 6:
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth

7:

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

22:

17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?

23:

13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men


14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith:

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous

Luke 11:

44: Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not