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Old 22nd August 2008, 07:20 PM
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If being homosexual is a sin, then why did God create homosexuals?

People can't choose their sexuality, it's just the way they are.
Why did God create people like that and then not allow them to express their feelings?
What's wrong with being homosexual anyway?
If two people find true love does it really matter that they're of the same gender?
Isn't discriminating homosexual couples like discrimination couples with a large age gap or of different nationalities?
Just like your sexuality, you can't decide when you were born or where you were born, yet different ages and nationalities are acceptable.
Myself, I am not homosexual, but I just don't understand why homosexuality is not acceptable.

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Old 22nd August 2008, 09:30 PM
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Because homosexuality is currently an issue that tends to stir up more heat than light there are specific subfora for discussion of homosexual issues. Therefore I'm not going to say much about homosexuality as such, but to talk about some general principles.


Originally Posted by soul_on_fire View Post
If being homosexual is a sin, then why did God create homosexuals?
Being homosexual is not a sin. Sex outside of marriage falls short of God's purpose for sex.


People can't choose their sexuality, it's just the way they are.
Why did God create people like that and then not allow them to express their feelings?
Not every feeling I might want to express is constructive, particularly when I am part of and a product of a fallen creation.


What's wrong with being homosexual anyway?

If two people find true love does it really matter that they're of the same gender?
That would depend on one's understanding of the purposes of marriage - both practical and symbolic on a larger scale. The marriage of complements is a large theme underlying a lot of biblical ideas (YHWH and Israel, Jesus and the Church, Heaven and Earth,...). All those are marriages of different and complimentary things, not of like things.

Isn't discriminating homosexual couples like discrimination couples with a large age gap or of different nationalities?
Apparently not.
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Its heavily debated if Homosexuality is a sin or not.

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If murder is a sin, then why did God create murderers?

If I may ask, what's the real question here? I perceive that perhaps you're not actually asking about homosexuality, but about the sovereignty of God and why he would create people knowing that they would sin. Or perhaps I'm wrong, and you really were just asking about homosexuality. Either way, I could be more helpful to you if you clarify.
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Originally Posted by soul_on_fire View Post
People can't choose their sexuality, it's just the way they are.
Why did God create people like that and then not allow them to express their feelings?
What's wrong with being homosexual anyway?
If two people find true love does it really matter that they're of the same gender?
Isn't discriminating homosexual couples like discrimination couples with a large age gap or of different nationalities?
Just like your sexuality, you can't decide when you were born or where you were born, yet different ages and nationalities are acceptable.
Myself, I am not homosexual, but I just don't understand why homosexuality is not acceptable.

Thanks for answers
The reason conservative churches teach that homosexuality is a sinful condition to be in (living with the daily mindset and impulses) and the acts resulting from it, is because of what scholars are starting to realize concerning the word arsenokoities . This word is found in (1Cor.6:9) and (1Tim.1:10). Down through the centuries this word has been translated to mean a number of different things. It has been translated as 'masturbater' 'pervert' 'immoral person' 'abusers of mankind' and today's: 'homosexual' . Conservative scholars claim that the Apostle Paul was just coining the term male-bedder from (Lev.18:22) Thout shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. There are at least 5 different Old Testament Hebrew words for 'abomination' and the same word in (Lev.18:22) is used consistently through to (Deut.27:15). It is used in the way of idolatry, abhorrence, and custom. This shows that there was meant to be a stark contrast between the ways of the Gentile and the Hebrew people.

In the 1st century, a church made up of only Gentiles would not have been aware of the Leviticus passages. If they had received any copies of the letters that were sent to the Corinthians and Timothy they would have been at a loss as to what the Apostle was meaning with his invention of such a word as 'arsenokoites' .
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Nobody is born a prisoner of homosexuality. There is nothing in behavioral genetics to indicate that, but that is what they gay rights people would have you believe. The best they can do, if you're liberal with what they found, is that some people are more prone to homosexual temptations. That doesn't mean that they are locked in to being homosexual, and that's not an excuse for homosexual behavior.

Think about this. Humans are naturally selfish and prone to greed, does that make greed less of a sin? There are some people who are prone to having short and fiery tempers, does that make this behavior less of a sin? There are kleptomaniacs and nymphomaniacs out there - does that make their thieving, fornication, and adultery less sinful, or not sinful? The answer to all these questions is of course not. Homosexuality is no different. People are tempted, and sin is sin - no matter how strong the temptation is or how weak the person is.
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If murder is a sin, then why did God create murderers?

If I may ask, what's the real question here? I perceive that perhaps you're not actually asking about homosexuality, but about the sovereignty of God and why he would create people knowing that they would sin. Or perhaps I'm wrong, and you really were just asking about homosexuality. Either way, I could be more helpful to you if you clarify.
Well murder is different because in the end you can just not kill the person, but you can't control your sexuality.

Well i think i was asking about both.
Why did he create people knowing they would sin?
And why would he consider homosexuality a sin?
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Homosexuals arnt born neither are murderers born they are made that way, the devil perverts that which is good.

Leviticus 20:13 says:

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Homosexuality is a sin, did you know that the average age of death for homosexuals is about 45?

He created people with the choice to sin, but he created them for himself.

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Homosexuals arnt born neither are murderers born they are made that way,
Then why is it that some people notice that they are attracted to their own gender around the time puberty starts?
Wouldn't that show that as soon as their sexuality starts to bloom they are already homosexual?
And if they weren't born that way, where did they pick up their homosexuality?

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Does that mean God hates homosexuals?
And why is it only when a man lies with a man and not when a woman lies with a woman?
Why is homosexuality detestable?
It doesn't hurt anyone or anything like that, yet it can give two people love where they may not have been able to find it with someone of the opposite gender.

did you know that the average age of death for homosexuals is about 45?
Could you tell me where you got that statistic?
To back up your point?
Quite a bit of statistics are just made up on the spot, showing the origin makes it more reliable.

He created people with the choice to sin, but he created them for himself.
Why is it that if two heterosexual people find true love together it's ok, but if two homosexual people have the exact same feeling towards each other it's wrong?
If you put aside all the sexual activities and leave just the feeling the people share towards each other, is it still a sin?
If so, where's the line between bad homosexual love and good strong feeling of friendship between two people of the same sex?

Couldn't homosexuals be God's way of keeping the population on Earth in proportion?
If every woman had as many babies as she possibly could in a lifetime and there were no homosexuals so there would be a lot more pregnancies, the world would become overpopulatded which would lead to world wide chaos.
With homosexuals people harmlessly satisfy their needs and keep the population steady.
That's actualy a plus for homosexuality
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Although I am unsure if homosexuality is wrong or not, I often wonder what environmental and psychological components are involved. For example, I wonder if early sexual abuse may be a factor in some present homosexual behaviors.
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