I think it certainly brings up the issue of "threat to the institute of marriage" argument.
I've never seen this "argument" consisting of much more than a declaration that it goes against a particular interpretation of Biblical scripture. To my knowledge the reality of this supposed "threat" has never been established. So I still await an explanation of how same sex marriage will have a deleterious affect on traditional marriage. Care to take a stab at it? Anyone??
I admire the efforts both have taken to live righteously. I hope that they look forward to their new life rather than back on their old one. It will be the only way that they will even begin to make this new life work.
__________________ Since the Torah is a finite book expressing the will of an infinite God, many lessons must be derivable from each passage from all the infinite angles.
I admire the efforts both have taken to live righteously. I hope that they look forward to their new life rather than back on their old one. It will be the only way that they will even begin to make this new life work.
You actually think that ex-gay camps work? Do you have any proof of that?
Who knows what works... thing is... sins are hard to stop... no matter what kind. .. if these people are willing to physically give up their sins by getting into a different environment and working at a new relationship because of their convictions.. I say may the Lord bless them..
__________________ Since the Torah is a finite book expressing the will of an infinite God, many lessons must be derivable from each passage from all the infinite angles.
Do you think that it is ethical for a gay man and a lesbian to marry each other so that they can obey God?
Well who's to say that marrying is the way that they would obey God?
And I don't mean "well obviously it's God's will that they be in a homosexual relationship."
There's a great variety of options for how to live a life in terms of sexuality. It isn't just "get married or live in sin." They are of course called to chastity, as we all are, though what that means varies from person to person. Cutting to the chase, it is my opinion that for people with a homosexual orientation this would mean general abstinence, i.e. both from sex and marriage. It may sound harsh I suppose, but they aren't the only ones called to a total abstinence from sex (priests and those in monastic orders being the examples that come to mind first).
I do think that it's a bit sad that Christians do present the scenario "either you get married and have good old fashioned heterosexual sex, or you are a sinner." It creates an environment where a person is entirely defined by their sexuality and it's no wonder that it makes it seem like homosexuality is an evil that defines the entirety of a person's worth and personality.
__________________ The dream of a fox is to be a man.
Who knows what works... thing is... sins are hard to stop... no matter what kind. .. if these people are willing to physically give up their sins by getting into a different environment and working at a new relationship because of their convictions.. I say may the Lord bless them..
So you don't think that it's psychologically harmful at all for gays to have to pretend to be something they're not (straight, that is)?
Homosexuallity has been presented as a given rather than a sin. Sin is not part of the makeup that God intended His children to participate in. Sin does have a habit of so distorting the lives of those it claims that the sinner often identifies him or herself with the sin as if is a part of their makeup.
AAA often has the fellow come up front and say "Hi, I am an alcholic" rather than "Hi, I am a child of God dealing with the addiction". Notice no one ever graduates from AAA either.
Untl we recognise sin for what it is, we are going to identify ourselves with the sin.
__________________ Since the Torah is a finite book expressing the will of an infinite God, many lessons must be derivable from each passage from all the infinite angles.
Homosexuallity has been presented as a given rather than a sin. Sin is not part of the makeup that God intended His children to participate in. Sin does have a habit of so distorting the lives of those it claims that the sinner often identifies him or herself with the sin as if is a part of their makeup.
AAA often has the fellow come up front and say "Hi, I am an alcholic" rather than "Hi, I am a child of God dealing with the addiction". Notice no one ever graduates from AAA either.
Untl we recognise sin for what it is, we are going to identify ourselves with the sin.
I'm a bisexual, and I can tell you for a fact that I never chose to be this way. So are you going to tell me that I'm lying about that, or will you retract your claim that "being GLBT is a choice"?
I admire the efforts both have taken to live righteously. I hope that they look forward to their new life rather than back on their old one. It will be the only way that they will even begin to make this new life work.
Do you think that a gay man marrying a lesbian who is a friend, and trying to have a heterosexual marriage (while being homoemotional, as they described it) is a good idea? Do you think it is God's plan for either of them? Do you think it makes God happy?
Well who's to say that marrying is the way that they would obey God?
And I don't mean "well obviously it's God's will that they be in a homosexual relationship."
There's a great variety of options for how to live a life in terms of sexuality. It isn't just "get married or live in sin." They are of course called to chastity, as we all are, though what that means varies from person to person. Cutting to the chase, it is my opinion that for people with a homosexual orientation this would mean general abstinence, i.e. both from sex and marriage.
How many heterosexual men do you believe are virgins when they get married?
How many heterosexual men, other than priests (and then again...) live chaste lives?
I could understand that suggestion were there more people that followed Paul, who said:
1 Corinthians 7
7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
Most heterosexuals will conveniently ignore this verse, ignore Jesus' celebacy, and usually quote "go forth and multiply" spoken to Noah after the human race was pretty much wiped out in the flood. They will argue that a life in a convent, or priesthood, isn't what they are called for or would be too difficult.
Yet, they are more than willing to prescribe it to a homosexual.
I've never quite understood that. In fact, do women talk about anything else but?
Do people feel disappointed that the couple has decided to give into their burning with lust by marrying, as opposed to joining the nunnery?
Or is it the opposite?
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