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There is no proof you exist either, to say that you exist as a completly different individual form the rest of the posters it would be faith and speculation...
Now what if I would to say experiance you, have had contact and a connection with you personally?
Than Id believe you were really there.
Same thing with God for us, we are open to Him in ways you could never understand and experiance as a non believer, God doesnt manafest Himself to you..He does to us. Of coarse that doesnt satisfy unbelievers because again they cannot comprehend what it means to experiance God.
Not to say He isnt willing to make Himself known to you, but He does it His way not yours. and people cannot accept that. they choose scientific ways which might I add arent even completly perfect..no matter how much one denies it.
That's very interesting to hear. There is no proof that I exist, that's really quite an extraordinary statement to make. After all, I'm not really typing anything right now. That's just in your imagination you are actually, literally seeing on your computer monitor text that is magically coming from out of nowhere. Isn't that amazing.
You see, I'm the type of person that can only relate to what is real. I'm constantly engaged in reality on a daily basis and for the life of me I just cannot help it.
I guess that I am not one of those chosen ones of this God you assert only reveals himself to those who are willing to know him or whatever. I find that absolutely amazing to say the least. So, what does God sound like when He reveals himself to you? is it a voice, a sound or what? I'd like to experience this being myself because I have a few things I'd like to ask him myself. Like what is taking him so long to just show up and reveal himself to everyone and not just a chosen few?
Nice of you to drop by.
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I guess that I am not one of those chosen ones of this God you assert only reveals himself to those who are willing to know him or whatever. I find that absolutely amazing to say the least. So, what does God sound like when He reveals himself to you? is it a voice, a sound or what? I'd like to experience this being myself because I have a few things I'd like to ask him myself. Like what is taking him so long to just show up and reveal himself to everyone and not just a chosen few?
He showed up 2000 years ago on earth and as proof he was God Jesus died and was raised from the dead. Theres good reason to believe this actually happened in reality. If you sincerely seek God you will find Him, otherwise even someone being raised from the dead will not convince you.
That's very interesting to hear. There is no proof that I exist, that's really quite an extraordinary statement to make. After all, I'm not really typing anything right now. That's just in your imagination you are actually, literally seeing on your computer monitor text that is magically coming from out of nowhere. Isn't that amazing.
You see, I'm the type of person that can only relate to what is real. I'm constantly engaged in reality on a daily basis and for the life of me I just cannot help it.
I guess that I am not one of those chosen ones of this God you assert only reveals himself to those who are willing to know him or whatever. I find that absolutely amazing to say the least. So, what does God sound like when He reveals himself to you? is it a voice, a sound or what? I'd like to experience this being myself because I have a few things I'd like to ask him myself. Like what is taking him so long to just show up and reveal himself to everyone and not just a chosen few?
Nice of you to drop by.
Ok so you typing this doesnt prove you exist, it could be another person pretending to be you
I'm constantly engaged in reality on a daily basis
Thats interesting Jesus did to, just in another time period. Wow
nonetheless it was a stupid argument but reguardless you cant prove to me that you exist..and we can go back and forth all day and I can come up with all this stuff to keep it going on..
Let me ask you something, how exactly do you want God to show Himself to you?
There just isn't any. It's all based on faith or speculation. Shouldn't that tell you something?
This statement doesnt tell me your searching God with all of your heart as God said to do. but I could be wrong, Have you searched God with all your heart or was it with your brain?
Your siggy doesnt sound like a person who searches God with their heart instead we are ignorant as so many people like to say but in truth..other way around.
So everything is superstitious, I find that amazing, very very interesting. Sounds like you made up your mind already.
my point is you want to know if God is around, you want to believe you and everyone else is gonna have to do it on His terms not yours. and people im sorry to say this dont..
repentence and a little revrence is a good begining.
I'd like to experience this being myself because I have a few things I'd like to ask him myself. Like what is taking him so long to just show up and reveal himself to everyone and not just a chosen few?
I dont get it, God reveals Himself to people everyday, people come to Him everyday. Seeking Him to ask Him why He doesnt reveal himself in lets say a "different way" isnt exactly bad, but thats not a reason to look for Him to begin with.
searching for Him to basically say "I dont like your ways..." is not the right approach"
If God was to say reveal Himself to you, would you sincerly repent of your Sins and really want to get to know Him? And honor Him like we were meant to? I ask this out of curiousity because honestly my friend alot wouldnt, despite of it. Im interested in hearing if you would consider it.
Im also interested on how you would like God to "reveal" himself or "show Himself"
Im also interested on how you would like God to "reveal" himself or "show Himself"
Well since it's asserted that this God is all powerful and he can do just about anything, any time and any where, i think a phone call or an email would be sufficient.
Can you get in touch with him and put in a good word for me? Actually you won't even have to do that since he can just read this post i've just written, not only that, he even knew what I was going to say before i even gave it a second thought right?
I'll be checking my voice mail and my email inbox. Thanks.
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Don't get me wrong. I知 not saying religion doesn稚 have its uses. Personally I turn to it whenever I want my intelligence insulted. And the holy scriptures come in very handy when I need to justify behaviour I知 ashamed of.-- Pat Condell
Christian theology has taught men that they should submit with unintelligent resignation to the worst real evils of life and waste their time in consideration of imaginary evils in "the life to come." --E. Haldeman-Julius
Well since it's asserted that this God is all powerful and he can do just about anything, any time and any where, i think a phone call or an email would be sufficient.
Can you get in touch with him and put in a good word for me? Actually you won't even have to do that since he can just read this post i've just written, not only that, he even knew what I was going to say before i even gave it a second thought right?
I'll be checking my voice mail and my email inbox. Thanks.
Your right He is all powerful, and He doesnt have to do things our way. You want a phone call or email? That is not how God communicates with people. He doesnt have to work in our way of communications. He told us how to find Him.
The question is, Do you want to find Him? For the right reasons..
Alot of people here dont, alot of people enjoy blaspheming His name and calling Him all sorts of evil. But how about you, do you want to find Him??
He isnt exactly going to pull your arm off, He knows our hearts. If you dont want to find Him, as much as that may upset Him. He will accept your freedom of choice. You can make your life to be whatever you want.
You neglected this question
If God was to say reveal Himself to you, would you sincerly repent of your Sins and really want to get to know Him? And honor Him like we were meant to?
Your right He is all powerful, and He doesnt have to do things our way. You want a phone call or email? That is not how God communicates with people. He doesnt have to work in our way of communications. He told us how to find Him.
I hear that so often when I talk to Christians. God doesn't communicate this way or that but when I ask them what God's voice sounds like they don't have a clue. So how do you know for sure that God is talking to you?
Originally Posted by GodsChild1010
The question is, Do you want to find Him? For the right reasons..
And what would be a "right" reason to find God? Why doesn't he just show himself to the entire world and remove all doubt once and for all? What's he waiting for? Mabye, just maybe, he just doesn't exist? I don't believe he does. I think all Gods have been fabricated within the human mind. But that's just my opinion that I think I'm at least entitled to according to the First Amendment to the Bill of Rights.
Originally Posted by GodsChild1010
Alot of people here dont, alot of people enjoy blaspheming His name and calling Him all sorts of evil. But how about you, do you want to find Him??
Isn't this the same God in the Old Testament that has ordered the deaths of thousands of innocent children, men and woman? that sounds pretty evil to me. What do you have to say about that? I don't believe a real God would do that. Why do you believe in such a God?
Originally Posted by GodsChild1010
He isnt exactly going to pull your arm off, He knows our hearts. If you dont want to find Him, as much as that may upset Him. He will accept your freedom of choice. You can make your life to be whatever you want.
How can a God who is Omniscient (all knowing) get upset? that would mean he is not all knowing then. Becoming upset has the element of surprise and getting angry destroys that concept altogether. As for choice. How is Christianity a choice? If it is, then, why did this alleged being who calls himself God create a hell for those who don't believe such a being exists?
It doesn't make much sense now does it?
But for someone like you it does make sense, correct?
But why?
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Don't get me wrong. I知 not saying religion doesn稚 have its uses. Personally I turn to it whenever I want my intelligence insulted. And the holy scriptures come in very handy when I need to justify behaviour I知 ashamed of.-- Pat Condell
Christian theology has taught men that they should submit with unintelligent resignation to the worst real evils of life and waste their time in consideration of imaginary evils in "the life to come." --E. Haldeman-Julius
Jeffery Jay Lowder of Internet Infidels: "There is simply nothing intrinsically improbable about a historical Jesus; the New Testament alone (or at least portions of it) are reliable enough to provide evidence of a historical Jesus. On this point, it is important to note that even G.A. Wells, who until recently was the champion of the christ-myth hypothesis, now accepts the historicity of Jesus on the basis of 'Q'." ("Josh McDowell's 'Evidence' for Jesus")
British historian Michael Grant: "...if we apply to the New Testament, as we should, the same sort of criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material, we can no more reject Jesus' existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned...To sum up, modern critical methods fail to support the Christ-myth theory. It has 'again and again been answered and annihilated by first-rank scholars'. In recent years 'no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non-historicity of Jesus' -- or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary." (Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels [1977], pages 199, 200)
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I hear that so often when I talk to Christians. God doesn't communicate this way or that but when I ask them what God's voice sounds like they don't have a clue. So how do you know for sure that God is talking to you?
By revelations, you wouldnt understand it.
And what would be a "right" reason to find God?
To fellowship and worship Him. What are your reasons for hanging out with a friend or a girlfriend/boyfriend?? or how about with your family?
Why doesn't he just show himself to the entire world and remove all doubt once and for all? What's he waiting for? Mabye, just maybe, he just doesn't exist? I don't believe he does.
He did show Himself, and the few who were evil and the ones who refused to believe crucified Him.. Just because you dont believe, doesnt mean He dont exist. you can believe and you can know that He is there, but you dont want to really look for Him do you? thats your choice of coarse.
Isn't this the same God in the Old Testament that has ordered the deaths of thousands of innocent children, men and woman? that sounds pretty evil to me. What do you have to say about that? I don't believe a real God would do that. Why do you believe in such a God?
Right, innocent? there is no innocent people. we are all sinners. the OT people lived by the Law, and they were wicked. You say thats pretty evil but God sees it the other way around. You dont think a real God would do that? He would be unjust. I dont believe in your mis-representation of God.
[QUOTEHow can a God who is Omniscient (all knowing) get upset? that would mean he is not all knowing then. Becoming upset has the element of surprise and getting angry destroys that concept altogether. As for choice. How is Christianity a choice? If it is, then, why did this alleged being who calls himself God create a hell for those who don't believe such a being exists?][/quote]
what? Right so it takes an act of suprise to be upset or sad with someone? Thats silly im not gonna even go further with this one. God created Hell for the fallen angels because they were immortal. humanity just decided to move in.
Um people go to hell for their wickedness. The only way to recieve righteousness is by Faith in Christ, if you dont believe in Him you cant exactly recieve justification.
It doesn't make much sense now does it?
Actually it does make sense. How doesnt it
I also realized two things. One your not even supposed to post and two were not even aloud to debate..Cf rules
nonetheless we just see things on two different sides. and well thats kind of expected. what makes sense to me doesnt for you because like I said your on the other side of where im coming from.
There is no proof. Bravo. You pointed out the blindingly obvious. Whether or not someone believes in God is an opinion. It is my opinion God exists, just like it's my opinion the Big Bang happened, as did evolution.
Originally Posted by OldChurchGuy
My proof is my interpretation of various experiences in my life that I cannot chalk up to random chance working in my favor. On the other hand, I can't prove these experiences were not random chance but I don't think so.
All religions are a matter of faith. As such "proof" as in science or mathematics is irrelevant.
Sincerely,
OldChurchGuy
I don't really blatantly disagree with you on everything, I'm just sort of touching on one very small part of the post: It's not really proof of the events that seem too...coincidental (I don't know if that's the right word, but I'm sure you understand what I mean) to you must mean God exists. I would call this a form of personal evidence, but you probably already know this, judging from the 2nd sentence of the post. And I do agree. It's not really scientific or mathematical evidence, but I don't have a problem with anyone calling this "evidence".
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thats your choice of coarse.
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