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So, does that mean they're right? There are alot of people out there who have and teach false gospels and are accepted (Benny Hiin, and the whole TBN crew... There are more though), but they aren't right.... In fact, many of them are so wrong that it's gross.....
"Wrong" is relative, though. You think they are wrong, they think you are wrong. The important thing to remember is that your particular view of scripture is your view. Only God knows for sure what is the "correct" interpretation of scripture.
Pete, what do you believe?
I'm agnostic. I believe that while there might be a god or gods, religions are most likely man-made. In other words, everyone is wrong.
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You would love to debate us on the grounds of other grounds. LOL. In other words you want us to debate you and you can PROVE their is a God but we cannot use science to argue with you? I bet you just want to recite scripture as proof? LOL. You want to site the text from your own belief system and that is supposed to be a closed case? LOL. Every religion has a text that tells them they are correct, what makes yours different-let me guess? Because it says so, in said text! LOL. OK, so you want to debate us and can prove God by not using science. GO FOR IT-The floor is yours.
Did i say that? I couldn't debate the falsehood of anyother religion (any sensible one) on the basis of it's own grounds... I have found that every religion but one has mahor riffs anf flaws...
What makes you sure you aren't one of those people Lyle? What is right to you, if it coincides with your interpretation of the Bible?
I interpret the Bible as it says.... Those people have added in things, and have taken things out. They have strayed from what the Bible really says and states.. Have you studied it?
False, sounding like your looking down your nose lyle. There are plenty of Christians here.
I am not looking down my nose at anyone, no one at all. I'm basing thing on things that they believe and those things I have heard them say... Again, I didn't say all, and about everyone on this board.
Ughhh oh, Lyle you are making a very fundamental mistake. You are thinking of when the Bible says 'expect to face conflict when you speak the word of God'. You are making the mistake of thinking because you are facing resistance it is because you are speaking God's word and therefore you must be right. As we read from your posts, we know this is not the case. You are facing resistance because of your bad science data, NOT because of your belief in a Deity. I myself believe in a higher poewer, Lyle. So yo uare saying the University of Michigan's info on the Big Bang differs from what we have told you? I Graduated from Michigan Lyle with a Biology degree. They do not run a Creationist bad science platform at that school. It is one of the foremost Universities in the world. I will look at the article and see how it is different than what we have told you
This upon the grounds that you knew what I was reffering to... I know I'm not speaking God's Word, I'm reffering to science, which is not God's Word..... I admit I may be wrong in some areas, though
Lyle- Evolution and the Big Bang are not the same thing! You have been told this man ytimes but yet you still persist! Do you read any posts other than your own? You come here to argue topics you know nothing about? Still waiting re: your challenge of a debate where we cannot use science (in your own words). Whenever you are ready, please begin....
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I'll see your "shrinking sun" and raise you one Legend of the Shrinking Sun (this article specifically refutes your article; and both of these articles are over 15 years old, to boot).
__________________ Creationism has not made a single contribution to agriculture, medicine, conservation, forestry, pathology, or any other applied area of biology. Creationism has yielded no classifications, no biogeographies, no underlying mechanisms, no unifying concepts with which to study organisms or life. - Botanical Society of America's Statement on Evolution
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So you are using already falsified data and bad scioence to prove God? You are sure not going to convince us using that. Most of us have a science degree if not a couple. You are running on emotion, not logic. Are you trying to convince yourself or us?? Ask yourself that.
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None of the gods love wisdom or desire to become wise, for they are wise already -- nor if someone else is wise, do they love wisdom. Neither do the ignorant love wisdom or desire to become wise; for this is the grievous thing about ignorance, that those who are neither good nor beautiful nor sensible think they are good enough, and do not desire that which they do not think they are lacking.
"Wrong" is relative, though. You think they are wrong, they think you are wrong. The important thing to remember is that your particular view of scripture is your view. Only God knows for sure what is the "correct" interpretation of scripture.
I'm agnostic. I believe that while there might be a god or gods, religions are most likely man-made. In other words, everyone is wrong.
(Sorry to everyone; I'm trying to keep up here, but you all post way too fast... I'll sit down on a seperate occasion and answer those who refuted my posts
Hey Pete,
"Wrong" is relative, though. You think they are wrong, they think you are wrong. The important thing to remember is that your particular view of scripture is your view. Only God knows for sure what is the "correct" interpretation of scripture.
Actually you couldn't be more wrong with that statement. There is a right and there is a wrong. God will hhold them as teachers to higher plain of judgement. They spout of falsehood, and that which is against the word of God.
I'm agnostic. I believe that while there might be a god or gods, religions are most likely man-made. In other words, everyone is wrong.
Well, then that explains your previous comment You say "most-likely?" Wouldn't it fare a bit better for you if you knew for sure.. Because if there was one religion that is true, it may land your butt in hell if you don't find it... Or somehting along those lines, there are only a few religions (base ones) that have no punishment for wrongdoing. The way you stated that, you sound like a Big-Footer... With all the unsurities.
But I would challenage you, if you are willing, try and find a riff in Christianity
Arrrghhh..Lyle, by you even mentioning a "shrinking Sun" shows you know NOTHING about stellar mechanics! When I read that I turned RED, for you. I was embarrassed for you Lyle! Our Star (The Sun has converted half of its hydrogen to helium. It is enetering the second haldf of its life. As it approaches the end of its life in a few Billion years it will go Red Giant in which it will GROW. I have some homework for you Lyle. Look up some basic terms:
Red Shifting
CMB
Solar System
Galaxy
Universe
Red Giant
Stellar Mechanics
Gravity and finally:
Mythos
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None of the gods love wisdom or desire to become wise, for they are wise already -- nor if someone else is wise, do they love wisdom. Neither do the ignorant love wisdom or desire to become wise; for this is the grievous thing about ignorance, that those who are neither good nor beautiful nor sensible think they are good enough, and do not desire that which they do not think they are lacking.
So you are using already falsified data and bad scioence to prove God? You are sure not going to convince us using that. Most of us have a science degree if not a couple. You are running on emotion, not logic. Are you trying to convince yourself or us?? Ask yourself that.
Actually, I didn't see it was that old, when I posted it..
Actually you couldn't be more wrong with that statement. There is a right and there is a wrong. God will hhold them as teachers to higher plain of judgement. They spout of falsehood, and that which is against the word of God.
You missed my point. I was referring to people's interpretations of the Bible. No one has a lock on what is the "correct" Biblical interpretation. You could just as easily be as wrong in your own Biblical interpretation as the next person. Remember, you're a fallible human just like the rest of us.
Well, then that explains your previous comment You say "most-likely?" Wouldn't it fare a bit better for you if you knew for sure.. Because if there was one religion that is true, it may land your butt in hell if you don't find it... Or somehting along those lines, there are only a few religions (base ones) that have no punishment for wrongdoing.
And if I pick the wrong religion and wind up in Hell anyway? I have no baseline for which religion is the "truth" and which ones are false. So, I look at them all equally.
But I'm not going to buy into a religion out of fear of punishment. Doing so seem extremely foolish and paranoid, to me.
The way you stated that, you sound like a Big-Footer... With all the unsurities.
A Big-Footer? Are you implying I believe in Big Foot?
But I would challenage you, if you are willing, try and find a riff in Christianity
I have nothing against Christianity and am not going to go out of my way to disprove it. I'd much rather try to understand it, which is what I am doing on these forums. Personally, I think Christianity is fundamentally illogical (namely the whole idea of sin, punishment and supposed free will).
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Actually, I didn't see it was that old, when I posted it..
you need to be alot more careful. remember that some posters here have been studying this sort of stuff since before you were born. I myself have been studying nothing but physics for the past six and a bit years, and even at a highish level in the five years preceeding that. Just on my university education alone, I have been studying physics day in day out since you were 11. Frumous and Lucaspa have ben studying their fields for what, twenty or thirty years.(coo they're so old ) If you really wanna learn about this stuff, then most of us here are willing to teach it.
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