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Old 29th November 2003, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pureone
not to convert anyone to anything or to say that christianity is not christianity, but check church history about gospels (which may have been more directly influenced by Jesus than others) being voted out of being included in the bible and then burned....
talk about chapters missing...
Yes, but the Bible wasn't put together till the 1600s. There were portions that were not put in by King james, and under his rule. They have been left out for a reason, or to put it in brief
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Old 29th November 2003, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Yes, but the Bible wasn't put together till the 1600s. There were portions that were not put in by King james, and under his rule. They have been left out for a reason, or to put it in brief
are you sure about that date? maybe you need to go back a little farther. I'm not talking about the KJV.
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Oh alright, I was reffering to the Bible as we know it today... but didn't William Tydale first put it together, or was he the first to print it?
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Oh alright, I was reffering to the Bible as we know it today... but didn't William Tydale first put it together, or was he the first to print it?
You need to do some reseach on a few councils....
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If memory serves me correctly, the Bible was cannonized between 100 and 200 C.E.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I have read, and studied Islam and the Qu'ran in a university setting. The post in your link makes about as much sense, and represents the topic you are trying to discuss, in a way that almost makes the OP look good, almost.

(Sorry, that was a bit off topic)
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Originally Posted by ForeRunner
If memory serves me correctly, the Bible was cannonized between 100 and 200 C.E.
Great, an answer from an athiest . Why do those that have lost the faith (if you were Christian to start) know these things? I am asking him how and by whom. I just want to show that he shouldn't pick too hard at another religion if he doesn't know the history of his own...Isuppose this belongs in apologetics, but he brought this stuff up....
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I think it may be the fact that there are so many MAJOR errors with the History, Theology, Science, and the fact the portions of it are missing... Even whole chapter have been eaten by dogs....
OK, I had a mouth full of water when I read this and I had two choices, either to choke or blow it out on the computer, so I am still kind of coughing. Sorry Lyle, It may be that I am grossly misinformed about Islam, which could be, I was part of Christianity for a long time and in no way consider myself an expert in that so I will make no claims about Islam..but DOGS Lyle? A friend of mine told me their are many books that never made it into the Christian Bible, same Dog Lyle? This Dog sure gets around! I am wondering if he is the same one that ate kids homework in grade school or that Dog's son?
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MY GOD Lyle!! I just read your paper on Islam. I don't know what to say. I felt kind of bad after I read it. Lyle, so the Christian Bible has a nice view of slavery?

I thought your paper had a prejudiced undercurrent to it. You say this Allah contradicts himself?? Could be, but, there are no contradictions in the Bible??? If you cannot find them, let me know, I can point you in the right direction. Your God is a God of love huh? Decimating whole cities (if you take it literally) and at one point drowning the population of Earth!! (I guess that was out of Love though, huh?) Come on Lyle!! Islam spun out of Chritianity and many of their ideas come from The old testament (Tha I do know). Women are always not revered in the Bible Lyle, you may want to read it again. Lyle from a scholarly perspective I think it is perfecly fine to research another religion and write about it but to pass judjment on it by comparing it to your own religion and by that alone is not fair, at all (in my opinion-you should judge things on their own merit. It may be right for those who practice it. Act Utilitarianism, comes to mind.)

I am certainly not an expert on Islam nor Chrisitanity but the delivery left something to be desired.

Remember, Abraham was the father of 3 faiths and Islam was one of them. I think all religions have good components and bad components.

Question: When examining another religion do you go in with an open mind or do you begin your research with the mindset that it is no good and dumb? Just curious
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