Ancient man wrote the Bible and the cultural influences in regards to the subjugation of women, acceptance of slavery, condemnation of homosexuality / fornication and glorification / acceptance of violence at the hands of God, to name a few, are all evident.
Exactly! Well-said, by the way.
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God says to do a lot of stuff in the Bible that no one really does anymore; eating shellfish, wearing earrings, etc.
Honestly, I just wanted to see what the hardcore, Bible-quoting Christians had to say about this. Of course, there are no Bible verse posts. Hhhhmmm. Anyway, I'm a Christian but I'm utterly annoyed by the "self-righteous" ones who bust out their Bible verses condemning homosexuality when there is a high percentage you (not you Law..."you" in general) were participating in pre-marital sex; oh, I mean..."straight" pre-marital sex . Hypocrites!
Ugh! I'm getting annoyed just typing this. Perhaps I should change my religion lol. Most Christians put on a "front" anyway; it's sooooo annoying...way to pretend like you're perfect. Spare me...
(Sorry, I had a moment )
Christ said not to judge, lest we be judged, for the measure you judge, so shall you be judged.
Quoting Leviticus? Be prepared to answer for you "sin" by the entire book.
Don't judge with mercy? Be prepared to be judged without it.
Judge without listening to the person, and judging on appearances? Expect the same.
Expect others to be held to the Law, shrugging half of it off yourself? You have sentenced yourself to be judged under the Law.
Someone told me, "I will simply be judged for homosexuality being a sin." I beg to differ. The Pharissee wasn't judged on saying that cheating people out of money, as the tax collectors did. He was judged on his self exhaltation, and in so, humbled. He was overly confident in his righteousness, and shown that he wasn't. He was judged as he judged.
Some Christians will say, "nooooo, not me! I'm forgiven!"
However, Jesus told a story of a Master who forgave a man a great debt. The man refused to forgive the small debt of his servent. This angered the Master, who reinstated the man's debt.
A lot of Christians say Homosexuality is a sin and if you don't "turn from your ways, you will go to hell!" My question to you is, those who fornicate, do you think they will go to hell? God says a sin is a sin. One doesn't weigh more than the other. So, why aren't people condemning fornicators and telling them they are going to hell? Divorce is a sin. Lying is a sin. Why are most of these ignored on the 'bandwagon-to-hell" list? Is it b/c it is more acceptable now-a-days? I mean..."everybody's doing it!" lol Seriously, what is your take on this?
Looking forward to the answers; this should be interesting
Meh, no moral reservations towards fornication here.
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jcook asked some good questions, why don't you try answering them?
Well she asked for everyones take on it so I was just being honest.
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We are ALL sinners. We ALL fall short. ALL our rightousness is like filthy rags. For one sinner to tell another that they are going to hell for their sin is irresponsible.
Speak for yourself.
<-not a sinner.
Anywho, I think the most insightful post so far was the one that suggested that perhaps that is why some Christians don't want homosexuals to be able to marry. Because it would end their designation of always fornicating.
It's almost like some people are just scared to admit that they(homosexuals) really are people just like themselves.
I believe that homosexual sex, fornication, adultery etc. are sin, but I also believe that it is God's place to pass judgement on those sins and the sinners place to repent and/or change their behavior if that is what they choose to do. I feel it is our place as christians to love one another and share the truth/word in love and try to live our own lives to the best of our ability and let the Lord convict people of their wrong doings.
Agreed!
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I'm pretty scared by the idea that all 'sins' carry the same weight with 'God'. I can't say I'd get along with a being that would stand me and Hitler together and give us the same treatment. What sort of person does it take to think that a white lie ('no you don't look fat in those jeans') and cold-bloodedly slaughtering millions of people because of their race are even comparable, let alone equal?
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I believe they are both a sin, with so many others. But I do agree that the church treats both of them very differently. Actually you put homosexuality up against any other sin and I bet the mainstream church would say it is a worse sin. I don't agree that one sin is worse then another, they are all equally bad and you have to repent from all of them.
I don't think God puts degrees on sin, but man. God just wants us to love him above all else, to repent and live christlike lives. You would think this should be a no brainer to do, but heck, it is the hardest thing any of us could do.
And the bible does tell us to make those who are believers accountable, even throwing them out of the church if they don't change from their ways. Well we know that isn't happening, because these preachers are to worried about that tithe money. But if we were to run our churches like the bible says, then lets say a person committing the sin of adultery would have to repent of that sin or risk being thrown out. The only ones that we are not suppose to judge in that respect is the unbeliever. He is there to learn, he is only to be made accountable for his sins when he accepts Jesus Christ, not before then.
Christians even when they know someone is doing something wrong is to take it to that person first, if they don't turn from their sin then. Then it goes before the preacher, then if they still don't turn away, they are taken before the church. Then and only then, if that person has still not turn away from their sin, then they are removed from the church. But could you imagine how much money a church would lose if they did that? That is the problem with the church today, they don't make any christian accountable, so the world thinks we are allowed to do whatever we want because we profess Christ, thus making us hypocrites.
I believe in most cases preachers are doing their congregations the worst kind of injustices. I believe that is why there is so much confusion now about what is right and what is wrong, because preachers are to worried about that all mighty dollar then truly raising up strong disciples. I honestly don't think that Jesus disciples sinned every day, thus asking for repentance every day, but neither do I think they were perfect. Heck, you can read the bible and see they weren't. But I think above all us they loved God deeply and were living the most Christlike lives that they could.
We as christians are suppose to love the sinners and to show them Christ lives in us, by the way we live our lives. Yes, you can tell a unbeliever he is sinning, but I don't think you can do that before you have built a trusting relationship with that person. I think they have to see a difference in you and desire that difference, before they will ever accept the truth of God's Word. I think the thing we do that is so wrong as christians, is we want to tell everyone to repent or go to hell, before we ever let them get to know us or us them. How can you do anything in love, when you don't know someone? I think instead of arguing who is right or who is wrong, we should instead try to get to know each other. Only then are we ever going to be able to change views or lives.
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Imluvd, the tone of your posts are completely different. Good job! I actually enjoy reading them now...
But, I'm making this post b/c no one has answered my question. A lot of Christians say you can't be a homosexual and go to heaven. So, if that's the case, if you did any sin (b/c God doesn't weigh sins), you wouldn't be able to go to heaven, right? No one ever takes it that far sooooo I guess Homosexuals will be in Heaven, right? (Homosexuals who are Christians)
**I still think it's interesting that people aren't posting their Bible verses talking about sin and hell (<--b/c it'll condemn them!). I guess those only pop up when it's time for discrimination??
. Hypocrites!
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