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27th November 2003, 10:51 PM
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Reps: 15 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by ddlewis86 I am trying to think of the last president to put himself in harms way for love of his fellow man.
Bill Clinton did it in 1999. (His wife also visited the troops in Afghanistan)
I think it was a good move on the part of our president and our troops certainly appreciated it. Yet I can't fault others for being a bit skeptical about his true intentions. Was it a genuine act on the part of our president our was it part of brilliant PR stategy?
I guess we'll know soon enough. 
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27th November 2003, 11:36 PM
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Reps: 276,787,875,168,834 (power: 276,787,875,196) | | Originally Posted by Dr. Zoidberg I think it was a good move on the part of our president and our troops certainly appreciated it. Yet I can't fault others for being a bit skeptical about his true intentions. Was it a genuine act on the part of our president our was it part of brilliant PR stategy?
I guess we'll know soon enough.
I'll agree that it was a daring move that boosted the morale of his troops. But I can't help but think that it is also conveniently a PR move.
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27th November 2003, 11:48 PM
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28th November 2003, 12:22 AM
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LOL! I could not figure out what your avatar was, Mike. I thought it was a piece of exercise equipment! 
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28th November 2003, 12:36 AM
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Reps: 511 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Caedmon LOL! I could not figure out what your avatar was, Mike. I thought it was a piece of exercise equipment!
me too 
I think what Bush did was a great thing wether it was a poilitics or not 
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28th November 2003, 01:37 AM
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Reps: 66 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Dr. Zoidberg Bill Clinton did it in 1999. (His wife also visited the troops in Afghanistan)
I must have missed it but when did President Clinton actually put himself in "harms way"? I know Hillary went to Afghanistan and also has plans to travel to Iraq. I believe that her reasons ARE more political though. She announced her travel plans well in advance of her trip.
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28th November 2003, 02:38 AM
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Reps: 606 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by antigoat A. Being elected President is a 4 year job, with possibility for 1 renewal. You can take a reduction in your vacation time during a period of that length. People do it all the time when getting PhD's, during medical school, residencies, etc. I'm not saying he does not deserve any vacation, but should be more reasonable with it.
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Everything i have seen so far indicates that he really doesn't get a vacation other than changing scenerey. He sets up shop at the ranch and goes to work everyday. He is always traveling to meetings, etc. while on vacation and having dignataries over, signing bills--everything he does at the white house. Not exactly what most of us would call a vacation.
I defy anyone to go over there and tell any of those troops who were there today that he was grandstanding. That message was as clear, concise and straight from the heart as anything I have heard come out of his mouth. The only grandstanding he was doing was in their behalf. No, I don't always see eye to eye with him, but he's got a good heart and doing what he believes is right within the confines of the "powers that be."
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28th November 2003, 02:51 AM
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Reps: 606 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by snoopyloopysk8a It's going to boost troop morale, but yah, I think it's a political ploy.
I knew people would be saying this even as I watched it on TV. Like, what did you want him to do? Stay home? That would be the only way to avoid those with political motivations from saying that it was political. "Naw,,,the heck with troop the troops...everyone will say its politically motivated. The press will run with that one after Thanksgiving is over. Too risky with an election coming up. I'll stay home with mom and the girls." Poor guy is in a catch 22 no matter what he does. Sheesh. Not an attack on you, Snoopy, just frustrates me that this guy can't do anything without getting attacked for it. Happened to billy too, I realize. But, then he set himself up for it. |
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