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Old 4th August 2008, 11:30 PM
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The Christian Community is all in an uproar over the the anti-christ because he opposes the Law of God, which Christ has abolished? Why not let him alone to waste his time since -Christ is the end of the Law.
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Originally Posted by Aethelsige View Post
The Christian Community is all in an uproar over the the anti-christ because he opposes the Law of God, which Christ has abolished? Why not let him alone to waste his time since -Christ is the end of the Law.
That is a common misconception with a lot of "Christians" unfortunately. Jesus did not abolish all the law. Mat 5:17-19


He abolished ordinances yes, Gods law, as in say the 10 commandments, no.

Eph 2:15
15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,
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The Christian Community is all in an uproar over the the anti-christ because he opposes the Law of God, which Christ has abolished? Why not let him alone to waste his time since -Christ is the end of the Law.
Where did you get all that from? The anti-Christ may not necessarily be someone that opposes the laws of God.

An anti-Christ as the Bible defines it is simply anyone that denies Jesus is the son of God.

Read it for yourself in 1 John 2:22.
22 Who is the liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, even he that denieth the Father and the Son.

Also the anti-Christ is not one man but many. In fact anyone who denies Jesus as the son of God is an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:18

18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.
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  • Don't let anyone deceive you in any way. For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom.
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  • He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.
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  • Don't you remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things?
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  • And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time.
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  • For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way.
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  • Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the glory of his coming.
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  • When this man who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary will give him the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders.
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2 Thess. 2:
  • 3.
  • Don't let anyone deceive you in any way. For the Day will not come until after the Apostasy has come and the man who separates himself from Torah has been revealed, the one destined for doom.
  • 4.
  • He will oppose himself to everything that people call a god or make an object of worship; he will put himself above them all, so that he will sit in the Temple of God and proclaim that he himself is God.
  • 5.
  • Don't you remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things?
  • 6.
  • And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time.
  • 7.
  • For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way.
  • 8.
  • Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the glory of his coming.
  • 9.
  • When this man who avoids Torah comes, the Adversary will give him the power to work all kinds of false miracles, signs and wonders.
Please, please, please, stop inserting your own spin into the word of God. You quoted the New Testament and used the word "TORAH" when referring to Paul's letters to the church. My question is: Do you understand what "TORAH"means?

"TORAH" simply refers to the first five books of Moses. That is; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. Those five books are the "TORAH." Therefore there is no place substituting words in the New Testament with the word, "TORAH."

Try and approach the word of God with an honest obedient heart, faithfulness and respect because any other way will incur the wrath of the Almighty. A good example of what I am saying to you is the case of Aaron's two sons who were slain by the angel because they inserted their own spin into the proceedings when the angel of God was directing the ancient Israelites about the new customs and rituals.
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Yes sir I think I do know what Torah means.

The word "Torah" in Hebrew is derived from the root ירה which means -to shoot or throw an arrow. It is used in conjunction with teaching; instruction. The Torah or Books of the Law were given to my People at Mt. Sinai by the hand of Moses.
The word "law" translated in the Brit Chadasha in Greek as νόμος is Torah in Hebrew. Thus when Paul speaks of the man of lawlessness, he is speaking of the man void of Torah - law, instruction. And what instruction or law is he speaking of? The law, the Torah, the instruction of HaShem.
So you see sir, Torah is much more than just five books in the beginning of your Christian Old Testament Bible.
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Yes sir I think I do know what Torah means.

The word "Torah" in Hebrew is derived from the root ירה which means -to shoot or throw an arrow. It is used in conjunction with teaching; instruction. The Torah or Books of the Law were given to my People at Mt. Sinai by the hand of Moses.
The word "law" translated in the Brit Chadasha in Greek as νόμος is Torah in Hebrew. Thus when Paul speaks of the man of lawlessness, he is speaking of the man void of Torah - law, instruction. And what instruction or law is he speaking of? The law, the Torah, the instruction of HaShem.
So you see sir, Torah is much more than just five books in the beginning of your Christian Old Testament Bible.
Add to this that the same Greek word, "nomia", was used by the 70 rabbis translating the Torah into the Septuagint - and they used it to mean TORAH. Thus, as Anisavta states, the man of lawlessness is a man of anomia which means without Torah! Simple, no?
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If you do away with the law then you do away with sin all together, therefor none of us need a messiah. Yeshua did away with the CURSE of the law (because the law can only do 3 things: bless, curse, and define what sin is). He didn't "do away" with the speed limit when he payed for our ticket. That would be absurd.
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The Christian Community is all in an uproar over the the anti-christ because he opposes the Law of God, which Christ has abolished? Why not let him alone to waste his time since -Christ is the end of the Law.
That is one big obvious logical fallacy in typical Christian theology. (BTW, I want to point to everyone reading that I'm not a messianic Jew to avoid any confusion). Beside the obvious problem of there never being any mention of an Anti-Christ in the book of Revelations, there is the big issue of how, what Paul refers to as a "spiritual Jew," is to obey the Law.

If Christ is the end of the Law, then why even have it? If Christ is the end of the Law then what does the New Testament build its legitimacy on?

I think that probably what most Christians suffer from today is misinformation and false interpretations handed down to them from the Middle Ages. It can't be as simple as "Christ being the end of the Law", because there can't be a New Testament without the original first.
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Also the anti-Christ is not one man but many. In fact anyone who denies Jesus as the son of God is an anti-Christ.

Did you know that Israel (collectively is the son of G-d)
Exodus 4:22 Then say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,

Solomon was also the son of G-d

(II Sam. 7:14) concerning Solomon: “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to Me a son.”

Also, King David was the son of G-d
Psalm 2:7 I will tell of the decree; The Lord said to me, "You are My son; this day have I begotten you.

Jesus makes it clear that he is the son of G-d, which for no reason should be taken literally. All Jews can be considerd sons of G-d "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son. (no this is not a prophecy fulfilled by Jesus - this is speaking of the Israelites, and the Israelites alone)

Also, did not Jesus in matthew 5:9 say "Blessed are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the children of G-d?
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