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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,820) | | Originally Posted by anisavta  Yes sir I think I do know what Torah means.
The word "Torah" in Hebrew is derived from the root ירה which means -to shoot or throw an arrow. It is used in conjunction with teaching; instruction. The Torah or Books of the Law were given to my People at Mt. Sinai by the hand of Moses.
The word "law" translated in the Brit Chadasha in Greek as νόμος is Torah in Hebrew. Thus when Paul speaks of the man of lawlessness, he is speaking of the man void of Torah - law, instruction. And what instruction or law is he speaking of? The law, the Torah, the instruction of HaShem.
So you see sir, Torah is much more than just five books in the beginning of your Christian Old Testament Bible.
Well said,.. worth repeating.
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2 Thes 2
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The Anti-Christ has NO use for "the Law, (Torah)" the Anti-Christ will say (or says)the law is abolished, done away with, the law is irrelevent... etc. etc.
Popular doctrine says Jesus "abolished" the Law, did away with the Law etc. etc... Hmmm, that's unsettling.
Jesus (Yeshua) is not the "Lawless One," He is the LAW made flesh, walked out for all to see etc.
Any doctrine that teaches that Jesus came to "do away with the Law" and thus create fertile ground for Lawlessness, is horribly flawn... IMHO.
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Matthew 7
22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
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Psalms 119
113 I hate the double-minded,
But I love Your law.
114 You are my hiding place and my shield;
I hope in Your word.
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126 It is time for You to act, O LORD,
For they have regarded Your law as void.
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136 Rivers of water run down from my eyes,
Because men do not keep Your law.
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There is a difference from sons and daughter of God and the Son, Messiah of God.
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,820) | | Originally Posted by Rainie The Anti-Christ is the "Lawless One"
2 Thes 2
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The Anti-Christ has NO use for "the Law, (Torah)" the Anti-Christ will say (or says)the law is abolished, done away with, the law is irrelevent... etc. etc.
Popular doctrine says Jesus "abolished" the Law, did away with the Law etc. etc... Hmmm, that's unsettling.
Jesus (Yeshua) is not the "Lawless One," He is the LAW made flesh, walked out for all to see etc.
Any doctrine that teaches that Jesus came to "do away with the Law" and thus create fertile ground for Lawlessness, is horribly flawn... IMHO.
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Matthew 7
22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
You are so right...
God's world is not appreciated on earth... yet...
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6th November 2009, 04:50 PM
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Reps: 42,498,226,686,408 (power: 42,498,226,696) | | Originally Posted by ZahavaP Did you know that Israel (collectively is the son of G-d)
Exodus 4:22 Then say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,
Solomon was also the son of G-d
(II Sam. 7:14) concerning Solomon: “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to Me a son.”
Also, King David was the son of G-d
Psalm 2:7 I will tell of the decree; The Lord said to me, "You are My son; this day have I begotten you.
Jesus makes it clear that he is the son of G-d, which for no reason should be taken literally. All Jews can be considerd sons of G-d "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son. (no this is not a prophecy fulfilled by Jesus - this is speaking of the Israelites, and the Israelites alone)
Also, did not Jesus in matthew 5:9 say "Blessed are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the children of G-d? I agree with you that Israel is the first to be called Sons of G-D. On the other hand I don't completely agree with you saying Yeshua is just another Son of The Most High Elohim. I also understand in Judaism it is taught by the past Rabbis that there are many who are called Messiah throughout history in Judaism. But there is only one Messiah that came to teach the whole truth about Torah without adding or subtracting from what Our Father in heaven taught Israel which at the time of his coming many have instituted their own interpretations that lead them away from what Torah was all about. And the one coming as Moseh said that we should listen to who is a brother is in fact talking of Yeshua. I'm not saying that Jews are not trying to live according to Torah, but keep in mind also in Christianity there are traditions that also don't line up with the truth in Torah either even though there are many who fervently seek truth. And those who teach against Torah by adding or subtracting from it are in fact Anti-Messiahs whether they themselves think they are or not, and that includes many teachings in Messianic Judaism and any other beliefs that teach additions to or subtractions from Torah.
Originally Posted by Tonks Which is rather irrelevant for a Christian forum. I would say this post is irrelevant to this thread since it doesn't talk of the op of the thread and seems to me to talk down to the previous poster.
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“See, days are coming,” declares the Master יהוה, “that I shall send a hunger in the land, not a hunger for bread, nor a thirst for water, but for hearing the Words of יהוה. “And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from north to east – they shall diligently search, seeking the Word of יהוה, but they shall not find it1. Footnote: 1Jer. 5:13, Hos. 8:12, Ezek. 34:3-10. (Amo 8:11-12 The Scriptures 1998+)
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2 Thes 2
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The Anti-Christ has NO use for "the Law, (Torah)" the Anti-Christ will say (or says)the law is abolished, done away with, the law is irrelevent... etc. etc.
Popular doctrine says Jesus "abolished" the Law, did away with the Law etc. etc... Hmmm, that's unsettling.
Jesus (Yeshua) is not the "Lawless One," He is the LAW made flesh, walked out for all to see etc.
Any doctrine that teaches that Jesus came to "do away with the Law" and thus create fertile ground for Lawlessness, is horribly flawn... IMHO.
Blessings
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Matthew 7
22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
That is so true.
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9th May 2010, 04:38 PM
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How do the N-C Jews view the anti-Christ mentioned in John's Epistles? 
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Coloss 2:14 Blotting out the against us handwriting to the decrees which was hostile to us,
And has taken out of the midst, nailing it to the stauros
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Reps: 4,802,692,308,169,110,528 (power: 4,802,692,308,169,124) | | Originally Posted by Aethelsige The Christian Community is all in an uproar over the the anti-christ because he opposes the Law of God, which Christ has abolished? Why not let him alone to waste his time since -Christ is the end of the Law.
Very interesting question!
But then they also believe they won't be around to see him because they are all chosen to be whisked out of the time of tribulation and let the Jews stay here and deal with him. Heard Grant Jeffrey speaking on this just the other night.
I have a feeling some are in for a rude awakening!
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