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16th October 2009, 03:25 PM
|  | Martyría, Diakonía, Koinōnía
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Reps: 727,432,821,147,579,648 (power: 727,432,821,147,586) | | Originally Posted by Jim47 
Hey, where'd all the responses go, Jim? 
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Daily return to the waters of Holy Baptism that the old man might be drowned and die. Daily, for he is a good swimmer.
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16th October 2009, 03:28 PM
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Jn 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
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24th October 2009, 03:03 PM
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Hi all!
I'm new to this part of CF. Yes, I know that my denominational icon says "Methodist", but that is only where my membership currently lies. This past June, I became a Youth Minister at a local ELCA congregation, and I am quickly learning the Lutheran way. So, I just thought I'd introduce myself to all of you, and see what kinds of connections I can make!
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24th October 2009, 03:16 PM
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Nice of you to drop in on us, we always enjoy visitors and their questions, and of course encourage you to look deeper into Lutheranism.
Feel free to join us in discussions below or start a new thread yourself. I hope you enjoy your visits here and we get to know one another. 
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Jn 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
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11th November 2009, 10:45 AM
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Hello, yesterday I was doing a small amount of reading from the Book of Concord, and as a result have a few questions to ask which I hope some here will be kind enough to answer.
Do you Lutherans really believe that water baptism is required for salvation? I thought Luther's life-changing discovery in the Bible was that the just shall live by faith. What about the thief on the cross? He wasn't baptized, but Jesus told him that he would be in paradise with Christ.
Do you Lutherans really make the sign of the cross? I thought only Catholics did that. Do you also do such things as venerate Mary and do the rosary?
Do you Lutherans really confess to a priest? My understanding is that we have but one advocate, Jesus Christ, and that we are to confess to God through Him.
What exactly is the Lutheran view of the Communion elements? You believe that Christ is present in and around the elements, but that they do not actually become the body and blood of Christ, is that it, or...?
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11th November 2009, 12:50 PM
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Reps: 164,578,074,878,309,472 (power: 164,578,074,878,329) | | Ahh...these are some very good questions. Welcome to our little area
If you have time to post these in the main section, you'll get a LOT of answers. I'll briefly go through some of the questions now: Do you Lutherans really believe that water baptism is required for salvation?
We believe it is necessary but not absolutely necessary. In our baptisms we receive the benefits of the cross and that is because God attached His promises to the waters of baptism. We are still all saved in the same way, by grace through faith and in baptism, we receive faith in order to believe so we may have eternal life. We can also receive faith by hearing His Word and believe so we may have eternal life. What about the thief on the cross?
Scriptures do not state if he had been baptized or not. Also, as I stated above, baptism is not absolutely necessary. If the thief had not been baptized, but believed...if he had not been on the cross, don't you think he would have WANTED to have gotten baptized in the near future knowing all the benefits that baptism brings? I do. He had faith by hearing the Word who was incidentally hanging on the cross next to him. Do you Lutherans really make the sign of the cross?
Some do, some don't. No biggie. Not mandatory, nor forbidden. Do you also do such things as venerate Mary and do the rosary?
We honor Mary as the mother of God, but not much more. There is a Lutheran rosary out there somewhere that is different from the Roman Catholic one. Do you Lutherans really confess to a priest?
We have confession in our worship service, but also we can confess privately to our pastors if we desire it. Remember what Jesus said concerning the keys and how it is by Jesus' authority that pastors can forgive sins. This forgiveness is the same forgiveness won for us on the cross. It's not a totally new forgiveness. What exactly is the Lutheran view of the Communion elements? You believe that Christ is present in and around the elements, but that they do not actually become the body and blood of Christ, is that it, or...?
We try to not explain too much into the elements than scriptures declare. We believe the bread is the body and the wine is the blood during communion...because Jesus said, This is my body, this is my blood. |
11th November 2009, 01:16 PM
| | Martyría, Diakonía, Koinōnía
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Doctrines
Also - if you like to listen to audio, here are three really good explanations of core Lutheran doctrines presented on the Lutheran radio show "Issues, Etc." by the host Pastor Todd Wilken and his guest Pastor Daniel Preus.
Law & Gospel, Baptism & Communion, and Conversion
*("Confessional" means that we agree with the Lutheran Confessions contained in the Book of Concord because they are an accurate theological summary of the Truth revealed in Scripture.)
__________________ Confessional Lutheran Christianity: Christ-centered, Cross-focused.
Biblical, historic, traditional, creedal, confessional, liturgical, monergistic, sacramental, evangelical, catholic, orthodox Christianity.
(All scripture quotes in my posts are from the Holy Bible English Standard Version (ESV) unless otherwise indicated.)
Daily return to the waters of Holy Baptism that the old man might be drowned and die. Daily, for he is a good swimmer.
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11th November 2009, 01:23 PM
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13th November 2009, 04:21 AM
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My church membership is Assemblies of God, but every time I explain my soteriology people say "That's a good explanation of the Lutheran position." So I guess I'm with y'all that far at least, and I do enjoy reading Luther (which is no doubt where I got those ideas -- he makes more sense to me on the subject than anybody else I've come across).
If I were to be an actual Lutheran (which could happen someday -- I like beer, liturgy, and theological discussions, and I'm in substantial agreement with the Small Catechism), I'd have to be ELCA, since I insist on open communion and the ordination of women.
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This is the power of Christ in me
From life’s first cry to final breath
Jesus commands my destiny
No power of hell, no scheme of man
Can ever pluck me from His hand
‘Til He returns or calls me home
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13th November 2009, 10:21 PM
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Reps: 9,128,947,332 (power: 9,128,950) | | Originally Posted by CantateDomino Lazerboy, here is a pretty good reference for what Confessional* Lutherans believe. Doctrines
Also - if you like to listen to audio, here are three really good explanations of core Lutheran doctrines presented on the Lutheran radio show "Issues, Etc." by the host Pastor Todd Wilken and his guest Pastor Daniel Preus. Law & Gospel, Baptism & Communion, and Conversion
*("Confessional" means that we agree with the Lutheran Confessions contained in the Book of Concord because they are an accurate theological summary of the Truth revealed in Scripture.)
Hi CantateDomino, I've enjoyed reading your posts before in at least one other forum. Thank you for the link. Interesting reading to be sure.
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