They sound great books.. might be hard to get in Australia though??
Yes, they sound okay by their label, but it's when you begin to pull those layers away, test the spirits, and be a Berean, you will then begin to see the good and bad points.
I always warn ALL CHRISTIANS to be aware, beware, and don't be unaware.
And when one person expresses concern of one stand and belief, and anothe expresses concern from another stand and belief, then we all need to be very wary and discerning.
I have seen far too many seduced and deceived by the doctrine of demons through misguided and false teachers. The last fiasco with Todd Bently is only the tip of the iceberg.
I have already dissected a part above of what Tim had posted on what Mr. Yep had on his site, and just from that small portion of his beliefs, isn't good stuff.
Therefore, if you were to read any of those books, then I would with great discernment, wisdom, and spiritual warfare. I do discern with what I have already expressed my concerns, and awareness above with honesty and discernment.
"Contrary to contemporary deliverance ministries (First off I don't know of any "contemporary deliverance ministries, but a know a few "self-anointed" ministries who do more damage than good!),
deliverance is best described as the removal of all demonic spirits and the removal of all sicknesses (Well my belief is that deliverance is a ministry heales the "inner soul" of the struggling Christian before any demons are CAST OUT. Once the "soul" is healed, then those "unholy/unclean spirits/demons" will have no garbage to feed on, and will leave the "house" as they have no further rights to dwell in the "house"! They can't hang around if their is no "garbage" for them to breed in and feed on!).
Deliverance ministries that do not know clearly what a demon is or do not have a comprehensive deliverance process, should be avoided! (Now why would he say that? Because, I believe that the only comprehensive delivernce process is His Word, and our Lord Jesus Christ through His Blood, and in my beliefs and thoughts that you first "FILL and CLEANSE the empty, swept, and put in order house" with His Word and our Lord Jesus Christ. You don't go trying to cast out demons from a temple/house/vessel if it's "empty, swept, and put in order", because they will return and reinfest the person making them worse than they were before!)
Our position is simple, if you do not know what a demon is, how is it possible to get rid of them? (Well, that statement is simple, but "half-right". The first thing you find out is to see how it got into the "house". And then through good GOD-anointed counselling and "inner healing" of the "soul", you soon find out where it came from and who those "unholy spirits". Once you removed their "feeding points" then they have no "rights' to stay, and the "strongman" is bound, and the walls of the stronghold is pulled down, that is, they are overcomed and conquered through confession, repentance, forgiveness; once the house is "cleansed" and the person is submitting to our Lord Jesus Christ, then they must flee! That Christian then becomes free in our Lord Jesus Christ!)
Demons are not fallen angels or Nephilims! (Well, I think differently to Wallen on the subject!)
When an unsaved person dies, they become a demon (That's wrong, where does that say that in His Word. We are a Trinity: body; soul; and spirit. The "soul" is were the "unholy/unclean spirits" dwell. And when you die, then those "unholy/unclean spirits/demons" go out to dryplaces" (Matt. 12:43-45), the person doesn't turn into a "demon/unholy spirit/demon", because all that is left of the person is their "body", which is a shell. As we only cast out demons from a struggling Christian, who has unholy/unclean spirits in their "house", their "soul", then those "unholy/unclean spirits/emons" will leave the dead body. This is another reason why they leave a dead body for three days, just in case they come back to life, and to allow the unholy/unholy spirits/demons" to leave and go to "dryplaces" and begin to search for a warm, moist body, such as another human being or an animal!),
because their spirit has not been cleansed by the blood of Jesus! They are the original unclean spirit as called by the scriptures. Not all demons are unclean spirits (That is so, because they are unholy spirits, dark angels, and Nephilims!),
but all unclean spirits are demons! (They all come under the same heading as Satan's forces, either dark angels, nephilims, and unholy/unlean spirits!)
With 5 out of 6 persons in the world being unsaved, a cataclysmic end of the world is rapidly approaching! (that is so, but what makes him think that because you are "saved" that you have an automatic ticket to heaven. If you have unconfessed, unrepented, and unforgiven sin in your life, then that will be a different story. After all HE warns us that if we commit certain sins, and don't forgive, and speak idle words, and many more other warnings that we WILL NOT INHERIT HIS KINGDOM!)
The bible doesn't say who demons are. Wallen Yep has done over 40,000 deliverances in his 30 years of ministry. His knowledge of who they are came from hands on experience.
Here is part of a post I made on another thread when some one questioned if we could communicate with the dead:
I know this will be disturbing to some of you. But unclean spirits are the spirits of the dead who are not saved.
When I cast out demons, they tell me who they are and how they died, etc. This is part of the exorcism process to keep them from returning.
In 2 Esras it tells you who they are. This is the bible the disciples had and they knew who unclean spirits were. That is why after casting out demons and returning to Jesus with their wonderous report that Jesus said to them,
Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather , because your names are written in heaven. Why? Because the spirits who they were casting out were not saved/cleansed.
In Gen. 6:3 God set man's age to 120 years on the earth. God cannot lie. It has be proven in numerous exorcisms that at 120 years, the unclean spirits are taken to sheol.
Derik Prince almost figured it out. IF you read his book on "They shall expel demons". When you read the chapter on who he thinks they are he tells you that they will cry out "that's not my name!" when called spirit of lies or such.
Derik also says that they are too ignorant to be fallen angels, but that they act just like people.
Why do you think it was such a crime to talk or communicate with the dead for advice? Because you can easily do it.
That is why psychics can't find saved people and only the recently dead and unsaved.
The bible says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. For christians, this is true.
The fallen angels are chained up too, according to the bible. Unclean spirits are the souls of the unsaved/uncleansed.
That's why ouiji board works, it is why people can speak in other loved ones voices. My grandmother did this before she died. She spoke in my grandfathers voice.
Mentally ill people will also channel other dead relative voices.
I have much more evidence.......but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt who demons are. They bring with them their illnesses and when you cast them out, the person is healed.
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Mmmm, I am not sure of his doctrine in Luke 10:20, when he said: "Because the spirits who they were casting out were not saved/cleansed."
In this verse our Lord Jesus Christ is making clear that our authority wasn't the most important thing that we receive, because our "names are written in heaven", which is more important than our authority over "spirits". Our names are known to our Lord Jesus Christ and are written in God's Book. This is our greatest blessing. So I don't see where this verse infers that spirits are unsaved/cleansed Christians or non-Christians!
From my own experience, I know that demons don't like "dryplaces", and they like moist and warm bodies, such as human and animals.
Now, unholy/unclean spirits/demons dwell in "empty, swept, and put in order houses", such as wayside, stony, and thorny Christians and non-Christians. When they die, those demons leave that empty shell and go to "dryplaces" or transfer into family members through "soul ties", etc., etc.
Is it plausable that unclean spirits are the souls of the unsaved set to live out their alotted time on earth?
Are they possibly called unclean because they haven't be 'cleansed' by the blood of Jesus?
Think how many things this would give understanding to. It explains telepathy, sickness, psychics, multiple personality, ghosts, etc.
For instance, I saw a show on Home and Garden television where a woman felt a strong desire to buy a house. She bought it, then went out and bought all the furniture and put it in the house. Several months later she discovered an aunt she'd never known passed away and had owned that exact house. Not only that, but she bought all the exact furniture that was originally in the house and put it all back in exactly the same location within the house. Coincidence! No way!
Were they called 'familiar spirits' because they are familiar to and with you?
The djinn, the geeshun? Other cultures have known this for years and even worship them and try and make peace with them.
Do other types of demons exist? Yes. I have come across animal spirits in people too. It is a common practice in black majick to send animal spirits into people.
Do Nephilims exist? I haven't found one yet, but I think they do. Especially after reading the book of Enoch.
ONe time I closed my eyes and saw a perfect reptillian eye starring at me in the spiritual realm. Who knows what all is in that ugly place!
I do see the faces of the dead people when I do exorcisms so for me you must understand how deeply real this is. It isn't just doctrine for me. The demons will cry out their names even during the exorcisms and tell me how they died.
I realise how hard it is for people to just accept it and so I don't expect people to just say, "okay, I believe it too".
Blessings,
Angel of Fire
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Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
Luke 13:32....Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures....
"Contrary to contemporary deliverance ministries (First off I don't know of any "contemporary deliverance ministries, but a know a few "self-anointed" ministries who do more damage than good!),
I can't address that because I don't frequent that kind of service. There's too much room for power of suggestion and lying demons.
Originally Posted by Elijah2
deliverance is best described as the removal of all demonic spirits and the removal of all sicknesses (Well my belief is that deliverance is a ministry heals the "inner soul" of the struggling Christian before any demons are CAST OUT. Once the "soul" is healed, then those "unholy/unclean spirits/demons" will have no garbage to feed on, and will leave the "house" as they have no further rights to dwell in the "house"! They can't hang around if their is no "garbage" for them to breed in and feed on!).
My habit is to get the person to renounce the sin that allowed the demon in in the first place. Then the demon has no legal grounds to be there. However, if the demon is too distracting, I will bind them to silence & impotence so the person can deal with their sin. Then I have the Christian do their own exorcism. It is a very quiet affair.
Originally Posted by Elijah2
Deliverance ministries that do not know clearly what a demon is or do not have a comprehensive deliverance process, should be avoided! (Now why would he say that? Because, I believe that the only comprehensive deliverance process is His Word, and our Lord Jesus Christ through His Blood, and in my beliefs and thoughts that you first "FILL and CLEANSE the empty, swept, and put in order house" with His Word and our Lord Jesus Christ. You don't go trying to cast out demons from a temple/house/vessel if it's "empty, swept, and put in order", because they will return and reinfest the person making them worse than they were before!)
I've heard of demons calling themselves prior reincarnations of the victim. I blow them off anyway. I don't need to find out what they have to say or call themselves; I just send them directly & immediately to where the true Lord Jesus would send them. I never see them again.
Originally Posted by Elijah2
Our position is simple, if you do not know what a demon is, how is it possible to get rid of them? (Well, that statement is simple, but "half-right". The first thing you find out is to see how it got into the "house". And then through good GOD-anointed counselling and "inner healing" of the "soul", you soon find out where it came from and who those "unholy spirits". Once you removed their "feeding points" then they have no "rights' to stay, and the "strongman" is bound, and the walls of the stronghold is pulled down, that is, they are overcomed and conquered through confession, repentance, forgiveness; once the house is "cleansed" and the person is submitting to our Lord Jesus Christ, then they must flee! That Christian then becomes free in our Lord Jesus Christ!)
Yes, you are right. I would add that they have absolutely no power except what wicked humans give them. Neutralize that and they are left to wander the wastelands.
Originally Posted by Elijah2
Demons are not fallen angels or Nephilims! (Well, I think differently to Wallen on the subject!)
You are correct.
Originally Posted by Elijah2
When an unsaved person dies, they become a demon (That's wrong, where does that say that in His Word. We are a Trinity: body; soul; and spirit. The "soul" is where the "unholy/unclean spirits" dwell. And when you die, then those "unholy/unclean spirits/demons" go out to dry places" (Matt. 12:43-45), the person doesn't turn into a "demon/unholy spirit/demon", because all that is left of the person is their "body", which is a shell. As we only cast out demons from a struggling Christian, who has unholy/unclean spirits in their "house", their "soul", then those "unholy/unclean spirits/demons" will leave the dead body. This is another reason why they leave a dead body for three days, just in case they come back to life, and to allow the unholy/unholy spirits/demons" to leave and go to "dry places" and begin to search for a warm, moist body, such as another human being or an animal!),
Right. The Bible speaks directly against this concept. It is being upheld in her church purely by the personality of the "minister."
Originally Posted by Elijah2
With 5 out of 6 persons in the world being unsaved, a cataclysmic end of the world is rapidly approaching! (that is so, but what makes him think that because you are "saved" that you have an automatic ticket to heaven. If you have unconfessed, unrepented, and unforgiven sin in your life, then that will be a different story. After all HE warns us that if we commit certain sins, and don't forgive, and speak idle words, and many more other warnings that we WILL NOT INHERIT HIS KINGDOM!)
Her statement is correct because these unsaved humans are being milked for empowerment for the demons. Evangelism is more important than most Christians realize.
Your statement doesn't go far enough. God's ultimate objective in our lives is agape love. The first commandment. We get this by God transforming our hearts. He does so because we renounce any contrary vows and ask Him to do so. We can do this because of His great & precious promises which He gave us due to His love for us.
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Starting another tack to this discussion, I believe there can be "lost souls" wandering the earth. These are human souls who died unrequited or suddenly. Old battlefields are full of them.
I was ministering to a woman with cancer out in the country in south Georgia (USA). One of the obstacles to her healing were the dead whose blood cried out from that ground. There had been a Civil War battle in the woods there that had not been cleaned up. Through Word of Knowledge, I pointed to Jesus on the throne in heaven and called out, "Come to Jesus!" All five people in the room dropped to their knees or prostrate, because there was this 'white tornado' of souls coming through the walls and leaving through the ceiling above me. This went on for about ten minutes. After this the woman's cancer visibly disappeared.
In another incident I had a woman who had come for healing of oppression for about four sessions. There was no 'casting out' whatever was her problem. She mentioned that she was present when her husband had died and that it started shortly after that. She said she came down with sores on her legs at the same places her husband had sores! I decided to experiment a little. I asked what his name was. "George," she answered. I said, "Look George, you need to go. When you died, the marriage you had with [her] was over. You are causing her problems --" At that moment, something white came out of her, brushed into me and left through the ceiling. My client was yelling "Glory!" She was free.
Make of it what you will.
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Wow...Timuchin....you do know what I'm talking about.
I have found that when people die they carry whatever they died with to the next person they enter, plus their own personality.
When they are expelled the person is healed. So far, except for one animal spirit, that is all I've seen in people has been unclean spirits.
Some people I've talked to that had death experiences have seen the white whispy spirits leave them first. I believe these are unclean spirits.
Did you know if some African villages where sending spirits of the dead and of animals into people is practiced that they will leave a body alone for a couple days to make sure the demons are out? Otherwise they can receive an electrical shock.
Blessings,
__________________ .....His body was broken for us, His blood spilled....
.....Bread and Wine Ministries (url is in my profile)
....God's heart to the world....
Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
Luke 13:32....Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures....
Originally Posted by Elijah2 "Contrary to contemporary deliverance ministries (First off I don't know of any "contemporary deliverance ministries, but a know a few "self-anointed" ministries who do more damage than good!),
I can't address that because I don't frequent that kind of service. There's too much room for power of suggestion and lying demons. What I am saying that there are many “self-anointed” ministries around, who throw people’s canes away, and push their wheel chairs off the stages, and the many TV high-flyers who sprout their falseness on the TV screen. Originally Posted by Elijah2 deliverance is best described as the removal of all demonic spirits and the removal of all sicknesses (Well my belief is that deliverance is a ministry heals the "inner soul" of the struggling Christian before any demons are CAST OUT. Once the "soul" is healed, then those "unholy/unclean spirits/demons" will have no garbage to feed on, and will leave the "house" as they have no further rights to dwell in the "house"! They can't hang around if their is no "garbage" for them to breed in and feed on!).
My habit is to get the person to renounce the sin that allowed the demon in in the first place. Then the demon has no legal grounds to be there. However, if the demon is too distracting, I will bind them to silence & impotence so the person can deal with their sin. Then I have the Christian do their own exorcism. It is a very quiet affair. Well, I believe that when a person confesses and repents their sins, pre-Christian and Christian, of their hurts, offences, anger, bitterness, resentfulness, unforgiveness, etc., then their pride, will, emotional feelings, and carnal mind will begin to heal, and they will receive “inner healing” within their heart. Once they overcome and conquer their carnal mind, pride, and will, then their emotional feelings will be healed. After that those demons have no legal rights to occupy the “house”, and must flee once the person is fully submitted to our Lord Jesus Christ. As they become freer, then self-deliverance becomes more evident in their lives. Originally Posted by Elijah2 Deliverance ministries that do not know clearly what a demon is or do not have a comprehensive deliverance process, should be avoided! (Now why would he say that? Because, I believe that the only comprehensive deliverance process is His Word, and our Lord Jesus Christ through His Blood, and in my beliefs and thoughts that you first "FILL and CLEANSE the empty, swept, and put in order house" with His Word and our Lord Jesus Christ. You don't go trying to cast out demons from a temple/house/vessel if it's "empty, swept, and put in order", because they will return and reinfest the person making them worse than they were before!)
I've heard of demons calling themselves prior reincarnations of the victim. I blow them off anyway. I don't need to find out what they have to say or call themselves; I just send them directly & immediately to where the true Lord Jesus would send them. I never see them again. I’ve always believed that those people who believe in reincarnation, and they speak of things that they were once a Buddhist priest, or a king, or an elephant hundred of years ago, is the spirit from the priest, king or elephant that is residing in their “soul”. They are usually the hard ones to get rid of. Originally Posted by Elijah2 Our position is simple, if you do not know what a demon is, how is it possible to get rid of them? (Well, that statement is simple, but "half-right". The first thing you find out is to see how it got into the "house". And then through good GOD-anointed counselling and "inner healing" of the "soul", you soon find out where it came from and who those "unholy spirits". Once you removed their "feeding points" then they have no "rights' to stay, and the "strongman" is bound, and the walls of the stronghold is pulled down, that is, they are overcomed and conquered through confession, repentance, forgiveness; once the house is "cleansed" and the person is submitting to our Lord Jesus Christ, then they must flee! That Christian then becomes free in our Lord Jesus Christ!)
Yes, you are right. I would add that they have absolutely no power except what wicked humans give them. Neutralize that and they are left to wander the wastelands. They’ll wander the wastelands (dry places) until they find another warm and moist body, either another human or an animal, or a bird. I’ve always believed that those highly intelligent animals and birds that do things out of the ordinary are demonised. Originally Posted by Elijah2 Demons are not fallen angels or Nephilims! (Well, I think differently to Wallen on the subject!)
You are correct. Originally Posted by Elijah2 When an unsaved person dies, they become a demon (That's wrong, where does that say that in His Word. We are a Trinity: body; soul; and spirit. The "soul" is where the "unholy/unclean spirits" dwell. And when you die, then those "unholy/unclean spirits/demons" go out to dry places" (Matt. 12:43-45), the person doesn't turn into a "demon/unholy spirit/demon", because all that is left of the person is their "body", which is a shell. As we only cast out demons from a struggling Christian, who has unholy/unclean spirits in their "house", their "soul", then those "unholy/unclean spirits/demons" will leave the dead body. This is another reason why they leave a dead body for three days, just in case they come back to life, and to allow the unholy/unholy spirits/demons" to leave and go to "dry places" and begin to search for a warm, moist body, such as another human being or an animal!),
Right. The Bible speaks directly against this concept. It is being upheld in her church purely by the personality of the "minister." Originally Posted by Elijah2 With 5 out of 6 persons in the world being unsaved, a cataclysmic end of the world is rapidly approaching! (that is so, but what makes him think that because you are "saved" that you have an automatic ticket to heaven. If you have unconfessed, unrepented, and unforgiven sin in your life, then that will be a different story. After all HE warns us that if we commit certain sins, and don't forgive, and speak idle words, and many more other warnings that we WILL NOT INHERIT HIS KINGDOM!)
Her statement is correct because these unsaved humans are being milked for empowerment for the demons. Evangelism is more important than most Christians realize.
Your statement doesn't go far enough. God's ultimate objective in our lives is agape love. The first commandment. We get this by God transforming our hearts. He does so because we renounce any contrary vows and ask Him to do so. We can do this because of His great & precious promises which He gave us due to His love for us.
Well, the OSAS belief is one that I speak out against, because many of those OSAS believers are either a wayside, stony, or thorny Christian who really have no “eternal life”
Starting another tack to this discussion, I believe there can be "lost souls" wandering the earth. These are human souls who died unrequited or suddenly. Old battlefields are full of them.
I was ministering to a woman with cancer out in the country in south Georgia (USA). One of the obstacles to her healing were the dead whose blood cried out from that ground. There had been a Civil War battle in the woods there that had not been cleaned up. Through Word of Knowledge, I pointed to Jesus on the throne in heaven and called out, "Come to Jesus!" All five people in the room dropped to their knees or prostrate, because there was this 'white tornado' of souls coming through the walls and leaving through the ceiling above me. This went on for about ten minutes. After this the woman's cancer visibly disappeared.
In another incident I had a woman who had come for healing of oppression for about four sessions. There was no 'casting out' whatever was her problem. She mentioned that she was present when her husband had died and that it started shortly after that. She said she came down with sores on her legs at the same places her husband had sores! I decided to experiment a little. I asked what his name was. "George," she answered. I said, "Look George, you need to go. When you died, the marriage you had with [her] was over. You are causing her problems --" At that moment, something white came out of her, brushed into me and left through the ceiling. My client was yelling "Glory!" She was free.
Make of it what you will.
I come from a long line of military people. And I know that there is a dark shadow that has been hovering over my family for our lifetime. And this dark shadow hits me off and on, and I am unable to establish where it's coming from. I believe that it has something to do with the carnage of WW1.
I have had many undiagnosable illnesses and I keep praying knowing that they are spiritual. But, as I had said in my earlier posting that there are far too many "self-anointed" ministry teams where I live, and they have not clue, and do more damage than good.
I agree in total with what you have said.
I tried to save my wife from the transferance of "soul tie" spirits from my wife's father.
He was laying in hospital dead from lung cancer, even though the hospital says that he was not dead. I discerned that he was dead, and I knew that he was dead. This was over ten years ago.
Anyway, my wife insisted that she was going to speak to him.
She sat on a chair beside him, and held his hand. She spoke to him of things, and said to him to squeeze her hand if he could hear her. Well, naturally the DEMONS squeezed her hand.
I couldn't interfere, but I stood back and prayed, binding them before they could do any damage.
I said to my wife, let me talk to your dad, and see if I can bring him to our Lord. I wanted to test the spirits.
When I got beside him, I whispered His Name into his ear, and their was this great roar come out of him, and he nearly raised off the table.
I then stepped back, and told my wife not to hold his hand again. But, she did. "Soul tie" spirits were transferred to my wife.
My wife, being a lukewarm and half-hearted, there was nothing I could do, but pray for her. To this day, she still doesn't accept demonolgy.
After we left the hospital, and a point to make is that, it was the first time we had seen him, as we had only arrived by aircraft from our home town.
My wife's sister went in to see him a few hours after us. When she came home, she said he was at rest and he looked different to the past times they had seen him over the past day and a half. They said, he was relaxed and colour had come back into his skin.
Then I knew something had happened while we were there.
From then on, my wife began to show attitudes and behaviour the similar to her father.
It has been a long struggle, and my wife still show signs, and I just keep praying and binding them, and allow our Lord to set her free.
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