In light of the Revival and Todd Bentley's video-chopped views of angels and rewording of things on his website and other such stuff, I thought it would be interesting to divulge into a discussion regarding them. I'm not full of answers, but I'm looking for commonality through the unity we all share here.
I am not in the office of Prophet, and I don't have lots of visions or similitudes (word pictures I think). So, being open minded, I would like to think I don't know it all in regards to angels. Someone with more experience could probably shed more light. Angels are messengers, but could they deliver something more than a spoken message? Perhaps an answer to a prayer is healing - could that healing power be carried by angels? I'd originally say no, because Holy Spirit is in us - GOD Himself is in us. Why would we need anything carried to us when the One who's everywhere at once is in us? Maybe it takes a deeper understanding of the spiritual realm, and maybe Angels are heavily used to minister to us.
These are some thoughts I've been pondering and praying over. I am not saying let's worship angels, please get that. I am saying that perhaps Angels play a role we've never realized. Perhaps the clues are there and we've just not realized them - and when we hear a pseudo-explanation we cry "bluff".
So, to start, I thought I'd go where I do about everything - the Bible. What does the Bible say about Angels? Growing up I've heard people pray that "ministering spirits be sent" to certain people. Why, unless they are carrying something for that person, or to assist them in spiritual battle? So here's the very first little bit I started looking at. Please feel free to add to or correct me, as I'm not wanting or trying to teach anything, simply discussing all aspects of this topic.
Hebrews 1:7 In speaking of the angels he says, "He makes his angels winds, his servants flames of fire."
Cross references:
Psalm 104:4 4 he makes his messengers winds, his ministers a flaming fire.
Cross Refs "ministers":
Psalm 103:21 21 Bless the LORD, all his hosts, his ministers, who do his will!
Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?
Daniel 7:10 10 A stream of fire issued and came out from before him; a thousand thousands served him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him; the court sat in judgment, and the books were opened.
Psalm 104:4 4 he makes his messengers winds, his ministers a flaming fire.
Cross Refs "flaming fire":
2 Kings 1:10 10 But Elijah answered the captain of fifty, "If I am a man of God, let fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty." Then fire came down from heaven and consumed him and his fifty.
Cross Refs: Luke 9:54 54 And when his disciples James and John saw it, they said, "Lord, do you want us to tell fire to come down from heaven and consume them?"
2 Kings 2:11
11And as they still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
Cross Refs "chariots":
Psalm 34:7 7 The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear him, and delivers them.
Psalm 68:17 17 The chariots of God are twice ten thousand, thousands upon thousands; the Lord is among them; Sinai is now in the sanctuary.
Zech 1:8-10 8 "I saw in the night, and behold, a man riding on a red horse! He was standing among the myrtle trees in the glen, and behind him were red, sorrel, and white horses. 9 Then I said, 'What are these, my lord?' The angel who talked with me said to me, 'I will show you what they are.' 10 So the man who was standing among the myrtle trees answered, 'These are they whom the LORD has sent to patrol the earth.'
I know all that was alot just to cover 1... well 2 verses really. Heb 1:7, 14. In the Hebrews passage, chapter 1, Christ is being established but angels are also mentioned. It seems that these angels protect us, bring us words from God, sometimes even in the Bible they were used to explain visions and such, as in Daniel's case. They have been used to offer physical protection - i.e the fiery furnace or the lion's den. So they can and do interact with the physical - as the psalmist said they simply "obey the voice of his word":
103:20 "Bless the LORD, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, obeying the voice of his word!"
However, in spite of all this, can they be used to bring what so many of us believe was made available through the cross : Healing. If you read Heb 1:14 it says " for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation". That word "salvation" is soteria - and I believe that we Christians are "those who are to inherit salvation"... salvation inheritance in the fullest, complete sense which I believe is going to be after we are in Heaven.
I hope I'm not too far off the path here, but I'm going to come back to this later on, when I have more time. Please feel free to comment and add to this discussion. I'm eager to learn more, and learn from others' experiences. I'm praying to remain teachable. God Bless!
We know angels have different roles. In the OT, they destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Michael fought demonic forces for 21 days in order to bring an answer to Daniel. And archangels will return with Jesus. Psalm 91 says God gives His angels charge over us to protect our steps. In these instances, they are protectors and destroyers.
Then they are messengers. They spoke to Mary about the birth of Jesus and also about the resurrection.
Others perform other deeds. One released Peter from jail and one stirred the water in a pool so people could be healed. They ministered to Jesus twice - once in the wilderness and once when He was praying before He was arrested and crucified.
In each of the above instances it was at God's instruction.
As for today, they are ministering spirits, but they still only do what is in line with the word. I believe we can ask them to do things in line with the word but I also do not believe they are our slaves as some seem to give the impression they are. I can't imagine God would allow an angel to do anything for anyone under those circumstances.
Very nice Lyon! Glad to see you back here too. I agree with what you have said, for sure. Interesting about the water in the pool. I forgot about that - and in that instance an angel was used in the aid of delivering healing. So it's not so coo coo to thing that angels might still "stir the pool" in essence. However this is before the death and resurrection. Still, something to ponder.
There is an angelic realm, and it is unseen. There are ranks and areas of specialty among the angelic hosts. I believe that as angels were used to minister to the needs of men in their most basic, such as Elijah in his depression, where they tended to his complete rest and feeding, and also of Jesus when He needed comfort and strength in Gethsemane and in the wilderness, they also are dispatched to us for myriad reasons and are not even aware of it most times.
I believe they worship with us, and are sent with answers to prayer, which includes healing and refreshing, and in delivering messages from God Himself. They are also dispatched to enter into literal battle over us constantly---routing the enemy from over us even when we are totally unaware of such battle.
Last edited by Floatingaxe; 17th July 2008 at 02:38 AM.
I had an interesting dream about angels the other night....at first it was just a normal dream with random weird dream happenings that I can't remember anymore....I always know when I've been dreaming and that there was strange stuff going on but I hardly ever remember them. But this one stuck with me, I think it was important.
Anyway my husband and I were in a public place...maybe a restaurant, I'm not sure. He was being attacked by this icky, sticky black fog/spirit that was evil. It would dive towards him and wrap itself around his chest and start to sink in wrapping around his heart, I got the impression that it was a physical attack on his heart as well as his emotions. It was gripping him tight and I was praying and rebuking and fighting and speaking the word and that would drive it off a few feet and then it would twirl around and attack again..........this happened over and over.
Then, I think I heard a voice (audible or otherwise) tell me to ask an angel to come and fight this spirit because I just couldn't defeat it on my own...........so I did just that, I prayed. I asked an angel to come and fight this evil spirit and an angel came down and made quick work of that vile spirit and my husband was well again.
The next day I prayed that for real and not just in my dream. I don't really know exactly what it was about, but I don't feel it was random.
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That's an awesome dream! Thanks for sharing it Charity. I'm going to be seeking God on some of this stuff, because I like to pray specific things. The more understanding we have, the more specific we can pray.
Thank you too, FloatingAxe I feel pretty much the same as you, and your response. I'll try to add more scripture later - I'd like to focus on it as much as possible to understand something I might have missed. Thanks all!!
Very nice Lyon! Glad to see you back here too. I agree with what you have said, for sure. Interesting about the water in the pool. I forgot about that - and in that instance an angel was used in the aid of delivering healing. So it's not so coo coo to thing that angels might still "stir the pool" in essence. However this is before the death and resurrection. Still, something to ponder.
Does it really matter that it was before the resurrection? Did the resurrection affect the angels at all other than to make them subject to us?
Three years ago my husband was in church and he felt hands on his back and heat and electricity going through him in the region of his kidneys, he was suffering from kidney stones and they went and stones which were reoccurring regularly have not come back in over three years. I was sayng the other day to my husband this could have been a ministering angel, no human laid hands on him.
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Charityagape - thanks for posting that mgs. Floating axe - sorry about what happened on the other website. Shows one reason why some believers don't go to church - they're not welcome there.
Leadworship - Like you I certainly don’t worship angels but have been curious and have kept notes from time to time on the topic -
Angels carry things in their hands as well as on their “person” Num 22:23 – a sword in the spirit world and on another occasion - 1Ch 21:27 ‘Adonai gave an order to the angel, and he put his sword back in its sheath.”
Also, Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Even unbelievers and animals can see them; i.e., Dan 3:28 Nebuchadnezzar Num 22:23 “And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way…”
Believers have angels around them. Hebrews 1: 14; Psa 104:4; and Psa 34:7
A funny verse to me is Peter’s knocking and they think it’s his angel. Act 12:15
Gen 31:11-12 they gives ideas to prosper, direction on how to get out of harm’s way (Matt 2:13).
They’re ungodly angels if Gal 1:8 “…preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,…” wants worship themselves (2Co 11:14);
I’ve heard some people say, if you see an angel ask if they’re from Christ Jesus. I haven’t found any scripture to support this. Anyone else? It seems that their message or purpose would indicate that.
I feel pretty much the same as you, and your response. I'll try to add more scripture later - I'd like to focus on it as much as possible to understand something I might have missed. Thanks all!! 
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