ah, *asks like the trolley boy from "hot fuzz"* LARP?
Who hasn't heard of DnD? We play it every other Wed. , however since there is no "storyline" (Our GM, Mike wrote it so that all we "had" to do was done... 500 years ago, therefore we are just stumbling through the after after after effects) , it's meant as a diversion from the stupidly tough RPGs we play on saturdays and the other Wed.
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Me beating a very tough RPG [video game], then regretting it as my corneas fuse.
ah, *asks like the trolley boy from "hot fuzz"* LARP?
Quite possibly the funniest thing ever...
I played Warhammer and Warhammer 40k long before I found Christ, and, looking at it from a wargamer's point of view, the attitude towards wargames and, by extension, roleplaying, can be quite worrying, especially when your looking at headcases like Jack Chick who rant on about D&D being close to witchcraft and satan worship and encouraging kids to do drugs, hit their parents and cast spells. Basically D&D is for the modern generation, what Kiss and Guns and Roses were for the 80's generation.
Having done both wicca and D&D, there is no correlation at all. Seriously, there isn't.
I don't see D&D being any more or less harmful than playing videogames, listening to rap music or watching coronation street. What is important is that the people playing the game understand it is just fiction, and those outside the players realise those playing the game are intelligent enough to know the difference between the real world and the fictional world.
Yeah, all throughout middle and high school, my parents never had to worry about me out on the town drinking, doing drugs, having sex. Where was I? In the basement with my friends playing a game every weekend. They don't know how good they had it! My step-mom heard some of the mis-truths about RPGs from a televangelist and sat down to find damning evidence in my DMG. A half hour of boring tables and random monster lists later....she gave up and never spoke about it again.
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Believe and you will find your way
Mornie alantië (darkness has fallen)
A promise lives within you now
Yeah, all throughout middle and high school, my parents never had to worry about me out on the town drinking, doing drugs, having sex. Where was I? In the basement with my friends playing a game every weekend. They don't know how good they had it! My step-mom heard some of the mis-truths about RPGs from a televangelist and sat down to find damning evidence in my DMG. A half hour of boring tables and random monster lists later....she gave up and never spoke about it again.
I wish everyone had enough brains to do as your stepmom did. Apparently quite a few are just ready to damn it outright without even trying to find anything damnable about it.
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"no man can serve two masters; ye cannot serve both God and mammon." - Bible (Matthew 6:24)
I don't understand why so many Christians say it's such an evil thing! I've been playing the hardcore rules (I've bought the rule books, I play on pen & paper), for almost nine years, and my relationship with God has only strengthened. Several of my friends all play D&D too (many of which have been playing longer than I have), and they're some of the most logical, sensible people I know. If a person is said to have become "possessed" or "gone crazy" over the game, it doesn't have anything to do with Satan. It means that person was an unstable human being and no one payed enough attention to that individual to make sure their hobby didn't turn into an obsession.
It can be evil in the way that anything that can come between you ang Christ can be "evil" (ie get lost in it).
It itself isn't really evil... altho there probably is some material that isn't good, it's pretty minute.
How people play it is a really big factor- some people are awesome to play with, others are rather sick and perverted... It really depends who you play with and their style of play.
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before you were born,
the dream that has
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I haven't played D&D directly (pen and paper, the board game etc) but a lot of the RPGs and computer games in general are very much based on D&D rules with a little of this and a little of that thrown in. Heroes of Might and Magic comes to mind, or even World of Warcraft for that sake. I mean no disrespect to D&D fans by 'comparing' but it's certainly true that if it wasn't for D&D then a lot of computer games would've been very different or even non-existent. I too have been told or hinted to about the 'evilness' of D&D and even though I just disagree then the notion that there might be something there about statements like that could be true have been lurking in the back of my mind and surfaced now and then. UNFORTUNATELY! Grrr. I'd just like to say, thanks for a lot of good points made in this thread.
Slightly off topic, but just wondering, do you guys think the same way about the World of Darkness system?
More or less, yes. The subject matter could be considered darker, but the struggle of the vampire, for example (at least in the edition I played), was a fight between holding on to one's humanity, and giving into the beast within. That could be seen as similar to a Christian's struggle with his "natural man". what we are without the Holy Spirit, an animal, basically.
I guess it's really up to the type of campaign you are involved in and how 'real' it is to you as a player - and like others have said, how much of your time/mind it occupies.
__________________ Mornie utúlië (darkness has come)
Believe and you will find your way
Mornie alantië (darkness has fallen)
A promise lives within you now
More or less, yes. The subject matter could be considered darker, but the struggle of the vampire, for example (at least in the edition I played), was a fight between holding on to one's humanity, and giving into the beast within. That could be seen as similar to a Christian's struggle with his "natural man". what we are without the Holy Spirit, an animal, basically.
I guess it's really up to the type of campaign you are involved in and how 'real' it is to you as a player - and like others have said, how much of your time/mind it occupies.
The reason I ask is mainly twofold. obviously, you nailed the bit about the darker content, but the books themselves are distinctly anti-Christian in a lot of places. To cite some examples:
1: Vampire has a dark version of the Catholic Church who venerate Longinus as a dark Messiah
2: Hunter portrays the Catholic church as corrupt and the long night (protestant hunters) as fundamentalist nutjobs.
3: Several books cite the Bible as being wrong (Blasphemies, Belial's Brood, Banishers)
4: There was a previous run of books known as Demon: The Fallen (now OOP) which storytold demons fighting against God.
4: Promethian's main character (sister stich) is portrayed as some sort of evil nun who does nasty things to kids.
No where does it level such accusations at Islam, Judaism, Seihkism, Bhuddism or Taoism.
Now, obviously I know its all fiction and designed for entertainment, the Bible is the truth, but where does the responsibility lay for me to avoid this sort of negative steriotyping of the church? Is it up to them, or is it up to me as storyteller to make sure it doesnt go anywhere near my stories?
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