I have heard many times from certain people that homosexuals want same sex marriage legalised so that they can be 'accepted into society', and that because we can't get acceptance for our lifestyle from the majority opinion, we need to get acceptance from the federal government. To all of those who think this, I have a one question:
If your loved one, who you lived with, who you shared all your hopes and dreams with, who you'd known for 20 years, was hit by a car and was rushed to hospital, and you were denied visitation rights or indeed, any knowledge at all as to the welfare of your beloved, and no say in how your loved one's affairs are dealt with, how would you feel?
Contemplate the above question, and then tell me I want to get married so I can, 'gain approval of my lifestyle'. Never mind approval! I want the ~1400 rights that heterosexual couples get! I want the visitation rights, social security benefits, the tax advantages - societal approval is at the bottom of my list!
I have heard many times from certain people that homosexuals want same sex marriage legalised so that they can be 'accepted into society', and that because we can't get acceptance for our lifestyle from the majority opinion, we need to get acceptance from the federal government. To all of those who think this, I have a one question:
If your loved one, who you lived with, who you shared all your hopes and dreams with, who you'd known for 20 years, was hit by a car and was rushed to hospital, and you were denied visitation rights or indeed, any knowledge at all as to the welfare of your beloved, and no say in how your loved one's affairs are dealt with, how would you feel?
Contemplate the above question, and then tell me I want to get married so I can, 'gain approval of my lifestyle'. Never mind approval! I want the ~1400 rights that heterosexual couples get! I want the visitation rights, social security benefits, the tax advantages - societal approval is at the bottom of my list!
In GOD's eyes such behavior is not beneficial to society at large. It is a selfish act that accomplishes nothing within the confines of homosexuality. That "couple" is entitled to nothing but to be left alone...
I have heard many times from certain people that homosexuals want same sex marriage legalised so that they can be 'accepted into society', and that because we can't get acceptance for our lifestyle from the majority opinion, we need to get acceptance from the federal government. To all of those who think this, I have a one question:
If your loved one, who you lived with, who you shared all your hopes and dreams with, who you'd known for 20 years, was hit by a car and was rushed to hospital, and you were denied visitation rights or indeed, any knowledge at all as to the welfare of your beloved, and no say in how your loved one's affairs are dealt with, how would you feel?
Contemplate the above question, and then tell me I want to get married so I can, 'gain approval of my lifestyle'. Never mind approval! I want the ~1400 rights that heterosexual couples get! I want the visitation rights, social security benefits, the tax advantages - societal approval is at the bottom of my list!
Putting money over social acceptance. It doesn't work well for a play on pathos.
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To help protect the sanctity of marriage, please keep all affairs heterosexual.
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Putting money over social acceptance. It doesn't work well for a play on pathos.
Uh huh... and Christians, as a whole, ARE accepted by society? I wouldn't think it wise to put societal acceptance on a golden pedastal... considering the Bible says that society today is sinful.
Uh huh... and Christians, as a whole, ARE accepted by society? I wouldn't think it wise to put societal acceptance on a golden pedastal... considering the Bible says that society today is sinful.
Never suggested that we should put it on a pedestal, only that your opening story (or 'what if?', it is too general to be a story) set a mood, but then the whole money > social acceptance killed it. I would suggest just leaving the mention of money out, lest people think your want to get married is based in money (which while it is still a good reason, it isn't as up their on the
noble' scale such as wanting to see a dieing partner is).
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If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.
The past is dead. It was all just a dream...
- Magus
To help protect the sanctity of marriage, please keep all affairs heterosexual.
If no image appears, something has gone wrong. I don't know. Probably run out of squirrels.
Never suggested that we should put it on a pedestal, only that your opening story (or 'what if?', it is too general to be a story) set a mood, but then the whole money > social acceptance killed it. I would suggest just leaving the mention of money out, lest people think your want to get married is based in money (which while it is still a good reason, it isn't as up their on the
noble' scale such as wanting to see a dieing partner is).
I was explaining the fact that I care so little about societal acceptance that collecting social security benefits is WAY more important to me.
In GOD's eyes such behavior is not beneficial to society at large. It is a selfish act that accomplishes nothing within the confines of homosexuality. That "couple" is entitled to nothing but to be left alone...
You've missed my point. I don't care about societal acceptance... I care about seeing my partner if he's dying. Oh, and I'd like to know where in the Bible you found out that sex between two loving individuals is selfish...
In GOD's eyes such behavior is not beneficial to society at large. It is a selfish act that accomplishes nothing within the confines of homosexuality. That "couple" is entitled to nothing but to be left alone...
Love is selfish now?
Originally Posted by lawtonfogle
Putting money over social acceptance. It doesn't work well for a play on pathos.
What about putting rights over social acceptance? And let's face it, we heterosexuals get a lot of financial rights and priveleges when we marry. Gay couples should have equal access to those rights and priveleges.
__________________ So many centuries So many Gods We were the prisoners of our own fantasy But then we had nothing--- Who'll lead our life? No, no, we can't live without Gods
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Love is the condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own.
--Robert A. Heinlein
I have heard many times from certain people that homosexuals want same sex marriage legalised so that they can be 'accepted into society', and that because we can't get acceptance for our lifestyle from the majority opinion, we need to get acceptance from the federal government. To all of those who think this, I have a one question:
If your loved one, who you lived with, who you shared all your hopes and dreams with, who you'd known for 20 years, was hit by a car and was rushed to hospital, and you were denied visitation rights or indeed, any knowledge at all as to the welfare of your beloved, and no say in how your loved one's affairs are dealt with, how would you feel?
Contemplate the above question, and then tell me I want to get married so I can, 'gain approval of my lifestyle'. Never mind approval! I want the ~1400 rights that heterosexual couples get! I want the visitation rights, social security benefits, the tax advantages - societal approval is at the bottom of my list!
I will go on the streets and protest right next to you if we are talking about more liberal visitation policies at hospitals that would allow gays to visit their lovers.
But if you are talking about changing an ancient and important tradition of our society because you want to be able to easily visit your lover in the hospital... You have your priorities wrong.
Protest what should be protested. Don't change definitions on us.
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I will go on the streets and protest right next to you if we are talking about more liberal visitation policies at hospitals that would allow gays to visit their lovers.
But if you are talking about changing an ancient and important tradition of our society because you want to be able to easily visit your lover in the hospital... You have your priorities wrong.
Protest what should be protested. Don't change definitions on us.
I'm glad you think that gay couples should have protected hospital visitation rights.
Still, I find the latter part of your post a bit problematic. The "ancient and important tradition" of marriage has changed significantly through the centuries. Its definition has changed repeatedly since ancient times, and I think most of us are very glad of those changes. In the past, marriage has included the ability of men to wed multiple wives, the practice of marrying young girls off at ages that would shock the sensibilities of most people today, and the arrangement of marriages for the political or financial gain of the couple's families -- often with the bride and groom having minimal (if any) interaction before the wedding. These have all changed: in America, at least (I won't speak for any other countries, as I'm not as familiar with their laws), monogamy is the law, one must be a legal adult to wed (though there are some areas that have provisions for parental consent for younger couples), and love is considered to be the ideal primary purpose for marriage.
The shape of the institution of marriage is considerably different than it was in ancient times, and I think the vast majority of us are very glad of these changes. Why, then, should it not change again, to accomodate pairs of consenting adults in loving relationships who wish to solemnize their commitments to one another in the same way that the rest of us may do?
And remember, there are more rights accorded to legally-married couples than simply hospital visitation.
__________________ So many centuries So many Gods We were the prisoners of our own fantasy But then we had nothing--- Who'll lead our life? No, no, we can't live without Gods
--Blind Guardian, "Valhalla"
Love is the condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own.
--Robert A. Heinlein
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