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Originally Posted by razzelflabben
Here is the problem: We have discovered many thousands of dinosaur fossils. Every single one dates older than 65 million years old. We have discovered many thousands of hominid (human and near-human) fossils. Every one of them dates less than 8 million years old. Now how can you explain that? The only likely explanation is that dinosaurs lived millions of years before hominids. Do you accept that conclusion?

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That is the problem. The data fits with evolution. Creationism cannot explain this data, can it?



Actually, I have several possible theories to this,
1. the most unlikely, is incorrect dating. This could be anything from human error to error in methods, and as already stated, unlikely, but none the less possible.
We are talking about thousands of measurements of the age of dinosaur fossils. All of them date before 65 million years ago.

We are talking about thousands of measurements of artefacts of hominids. All of them date less than 8 million years ago.

And you are seriously suggesting that all of this order might reasonably be due to faulty readings? That is so unlikey, why even bother to mention it?


2. If the dinosaurs were extinct long before man, their bones would have been preserved before man's. It is hard to preserve a moving target in other words.
Correct, dinosaurs were extinct long before humans. That is my point. They died millions of years before humans. There is clear evidence for that. Do you or do you not agree?


3. Mirgration, it is possible that Man migrated to the area after dinosaurs were in that area. This could explain a lot of the discrepencies in the fossil record. Add the possible climatic changes, and a whole lot could be explained.
But how can migration account for the fact that all dino fossils are older than 65 million years, and all hominids less than 8 millions years old? This isn't even an explanation, is it?

This is just off the post of my head, and 3 would be the most probable. Though it does not answer all the questions, it would answer many of them and given the inconclusive nature of the evidence, leaves open room for speculation.
Inconclusive? Thousand of readings in many places using different methods all declare that dinosaurs died out before there were humans. How much more evidence do you need before you conclude that dinosaurs probably went extinct before humans existed? What would you consider to be conclusive evidence?
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Originally Posted by Jimmy The Hand
So articulate one, give us one example of a "most complex" fossil found in the Cambrian.
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Originally Posted by mrversatile48
they do a bonza dinosaur burger to thius very day!!!!!!!
dinosaurs didn't appear until the triassic, about three hundred million years after the cambrian. you can order your dino burger in the cambrian, but don't expect it to be there in 90 minutes or your money back.
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Smile again, 1-word denials are more bluff than expose/refutation

Originally Posted by Ishmael Borg
Jet was only doing what scientists do all the time: exposing falsehood. Just like when they exposed the falsehood in the tired, examined-to-death examples you've provided.

R U tired? Feeling 1 degree under? Refresh your head with a...

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frontal lobotomy maybe?????????


Hmmm. Piltdown Man. Never heard that one before. Have you got anything less than half a century old to discuss?
Hot news today is that UK just had, in 1 day, @ 1.5 times the normal rain for a whole month

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Originally Posted by mrversatile48
Hot news today is that UK just had, in 1 day, @ 1.5 times the normal rain for a whole month

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I heard about that, my girlfriend told me her train was delayed, that's the 2nd time now that her train has been delayed due to sunned rains and floods, I'll keep you informed as to when she is next on a train, then you can get the umbrella out
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Originally Posted by mrversatile48
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is that false teeth - as in the tooth of an extinct pig that was used to hoax false ET evidence called either Nebraska Man or Piltdown Man

Both were deliberate hoaxes

Just what galaxy are ET fans on!!!!!!!!!!
oh look at those goalposts go. piltdown man was a hoax played on scientists by someone else and exposed by scientists. nebraska man was never part of main scientific literature anyway, and it was merely thought to be a homonid tooth, but even the discoverer said that he wouldn't commit to the idea until more of the skeleton was found.. there were only a few supporters of the idea and a rather unfortunate painting in a magazine for public consumption (i.e. not in a journal) the first was a deliberate hoax, the second was not. so here I am, exposing your falsehoods. I could expose the earlier ones, but I gone over them often enough before.
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Originally Posted by Jet Black
dinosaurs didn't appear until the triassic, about three hundred million years after the cambrian. you can order your dino burger in the cambrian, but don't expect it to be there in 90 minutes or your money back.
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now that is exactly why I don't bother rebutting things properly with you. I expose your massive errors and you just carry on as if you never made a mistake.
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Originally Posted by Jet Black
oh look at those goalposts go. piltdown man was a hoax played on scientists by someone else and exposed by scientists. nebraska man was never part of main scientific literature anyway, and it was merely thought to be a homonid tooth, but even the discoverer said that he wouldn't commit to the idea until more of the skeleton was found.. there were only a few supporters of the idea and a rather unfortunate painting in a magazine for public consumption (i.e. not in a journal) the first was a deliberate hoax, the second was not. so here I am, exposing your falsehoods. I could expose the earlier ones, but I gone over them often enough before.
There was definitely a hoax made up solely from the tooth of an extinct pig...

& it was definitely either Piltdown Man or Nebraska Man

I've heard & read that 1 from @ least 3 reliable sources

1 of 'em was the hilarious cartoon booklet by Dr Jack T Chick

I'll never forget his superb put down of Piltdown..

"This genius thinks he came from an ape!!!!"

& his final coup de grace (= French 4 lawnmower???????)...

"Don't let any evolutionist make a monkey out of you!!!!!!!!!"


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