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1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth waswithout form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
no time stated, as to when God created the universe and all....just that He did.
I would like to draw attention to the words "was", "without form", and "void" in verse2.
from the Strong's Concordance, the Hebrew word for
H1961 was היה hâyâh haw-yaw' A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, cometopass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.
the earth was created by God, and after an unknown length of time, it became something...
H8414 without form תּהוּ tôhû to'-hoo From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.
a worthless thing....
H922 - void בּהוּ bôhû bo'-hoo From an unused root (meaning to beempty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: - emptiness, void.
the earth was created by God a long time ago,
and in the time called in the NT "before the foundation of the world" (flesh age) an event happened that caused God to end the previous existence and set up this one...
Jer4:23 seems to speak of a flood and connects the same two word combination of Tohu Bohu , but it is not the same flood as Gen6-8...it is the one that ended the former age. there are noticeable differences...
God uses the word Tohu in Isa 45:18, teaching that God did not create this world vain or empty or a ruin, but rather to be inhabited...
so, God creates the earth...
then an unknown amount of time passes....
and because of events that happen in that time, God destroys that age on earth, and sets up this one for us to live as flesh...
and eventually, in incorruptible celestial bodies on a perfect and rejuvenated earth...
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The Flood comes to mind. As does the Apocalypse. And Sodom and Gomorrah. Etc. (Not that I agree with Zeke's interpretation.)
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The Flood comes to mind. As does the Apocalypse. And Sodom and Gomorrah. Etc. (Not that I agree with Zeke's interpretation.)
Good point.
But, there is no evidence of an extinction event in the Bible.
Maybe that is not what Zeke was referring to -- as in not complete extinction of people. But that is what it sounds like . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas
Its pretty hard to fulfill a covenant to a people such as Eve, Abraham or David if you just up and off the whole population.
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But, there is no evidence of an extinction event in the Bible.
There's no evidence of a lot of real things in the Bible. Like DNA.
The fact is that the fossil record is replete with extinction events. In fact, 99% of all life that has ever lived is extinct. But if you mean a total extinction event -- where ALL life on Earth is extinguished, then you're right -- there's no evidence for any such event, either in the Bible or in the fossil record.
I don't buy into gap theology either, for a variety of reasons. The main one being that it is a concordist hermeneutic, which is invalid.
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well, there is plenty of evidence that God destroys that which He is not happy with...
most of us are familiar with the flood of Noah's day...but there was a flood before that flood....and there is to be a flood in the hour of tribulation, albeit a flood of lies from the dragon.
Originally Posted by busterdog
Good point.
But, there is no evidence of an extinction event in the Bible.
actually, there is of sorts...
Maybe that is not what Zeke was referring to -- as in not complete extinction of people. But that is what it sounds like . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas
Its pretty hard to fulfill a covenant to a people such as Eve, Abraham or David if you just up and off the whole population.
the flood that I speak of is the event (before the foundations of the world-katabole in greek) that ended the first way of life (or 1st age) that we all shared, and started the flesh existance of mankind...
we are all born from above, innocent of that age...
the fulfillments spoken of are the means in which we (as a popuation) get back into God's good graces...
the flood I spoke of is found in Jer4...where it is obviously not the same flood as Noah's days... it is the flood that made the world tohu bohu
and from that ruin, God set up this age...
Originally Posted by Mallon
There's no evidence of a lot of real things in the Bible. Like DNA.
well, I studied the word "rib" in Gen2, and an interesting thing happened...
it means curve...
and Eve was taken from Adam....
couple that with what we know today about DNA, and I think that God told us about it back then...helix curve...
The fact is that the fossil record is replete with extinction events. In fact, 99% of all life that has ever lived is extinct. But if you mean a total extinction event -- where ALL life on Earth is extinguished, then you're right -- there's no evidence for any such event, either in the Bible or in the fossil record.
Jer4
22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
23I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
29 The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.
30 And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life. 31 For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers.
I don't buy into gap theology either, for a variety of reasons. The main one being that it is a concordist hermeneutic, which is invalid.
I do not know what that means...words are tooo big!!
and the earth BECAME.....not simply was... 
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