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13th July 2008, 02:26 AM
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13th July 2008, 02:30 AM
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Reps: 184,423 (power: 196) | | Originally Posted by PassionFruit I guess they expect them to remain celibate. Guess that means they'll be taking cold showers for the rest of their lives. Unless there's an alternative.
Solo sex?  That's one of the (many) failures of the abstinence-only movement: it assumes that everyone wants to/will get married. There's a lot of people out there who will never get married. There's a lot of people out there (myself included) who view marriage as an archaic tradition that has little relevance, now that people generally don't enter into marriage for economic reasons. | 
13th July 2008, 03:02 AM
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One of the things that seemed to be prevalent in my mostly Christian town was that the men, Christian or not, were encouraged to lose their virginity as soon as possible, and sometimes congratulated by their parents, while girls are expected to wait. Sooooo, either their is a really bad double standard set by the parents, the girls aren't listening, or the boys are losing it to each other. | 
13th July 2008, 03:45 AM
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Reps: 41,553,286,422,749,040 (power: 41,553,286,422,760) | | Originally Posted by Illuminatus Solo sex?  That's one of the (many) failures of the abstinence-only movement: it assumes that everyone wants to/will get married. There's a lot of people out there who will never get married. There's a lot of people out there (myself included) who view marriage as an archaic tradition that has little relevance, now that people generally don't enter into marriage for economic reasons.
'Abstinence Only' also typically teaches that masturbation, the safest form of sex there is, should be avoided.
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If you don't think almost all men and women do this, then someone should splash water in your face. | 
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Reps: 47,249,488,649,861,296 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Illuminatus Yup. Once you've slept with a virgin once, you never want to again. 
A lot of truth there. It's okay the first time you have sex, my only experience with a virgin, but after that, I'd rather not. | 
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Reps: 47,249,488,649,861,296 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Ryal Kane 'Abstinence Only' also typically teaches that masturbation, the safest form of sex there is, should be avoided. 
I was rather doubtful about this so I did Google search, and sure enough, it seems that if they don't say it should be avoided, they tend not to say anything about it at all. Interestingly enough, in my search I came across this little news item from last May. "FONDA & FULTONVILLE — Several Fonda-Fultonville school district residents on Tuesday criticized the use of a Planned Parenthood educator to conduct sex education classes for seventh- and eighth-graders beginning today.
The parents said they had collected 163 signatures of residents opposing the introduction of Planned Parenthood materials or organization-developed instruction in the school.
The group developed a Web site, www.notinourschool.com, which lists financial earnings of Planned Parenthood and other details of the organization. Deborah Young said she started researching Planned Parenthood education guidelines and found passages that suggested masturbation is a source of pleasure. “I went in, I could not believe what I saw,” Young said.
Arlene Whittingham said she did research as well and found educational materials directed to children between the ages of 5 and 8 which indicate that girls and boys have body parts that feel good when touched.
Whittingham said she found it “quite unconscionable” that an organization could suggest sharing such information with school students"
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Reps: 16,712,951,262,380,520 (power: 16,712,951,262,392) | | Originally Posted by PassionFruit Which is why kids grow up with unhealthy attitudes towards sex. 
Exactly. Kids are often taught that sex before marriage is wrong, that it's dirty, and then are somehow supposed to do a 180 after they are married and think that it is good.
Of course, we all heard the numerous lies: If you masterbate, you will go crazy/blind/grow hair on your palms, become gay, use up all your sperm, etc., and yet, are supposed to then believe these lying adults about other aspects of sex?
American kids deny that their parents have sex, and their parents deny that their kids have any sexual feelings until they are in their late teens, but kids have childish sexual feelings as well. Many kids learn to masterbate on their own at a early age. (I discovered it by myself around 8, but my friend from Mexico, who was uncircumcised, told me that he first did it around 5).
I remember a friend telling me that she had her first period in 3rd grade. Her mother assuumed that this wouldn't happen until she was in 6th, so she had about 3 before she told her mother, because she thought something was wrong with her. I was freaked out as well the first time I saw something come out from masterbating. My parents, like many, think that it is better to simply not talk about it, and pretend that it doesn't exist, or that it will prevent it from happening, and, in a sense, keep their children from growing up. Unfortunately, their bodies continue to grow up, even if their minds don't mature with it, due to guilt , fear, or ignorance.
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