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could i please get your takes on some of these issues. i have read some good arguments about the age of the earth and i'd never heard of the gap theory until yesterday. i really don't know too much about evolution. i am a christian, and i believe in creation, but perhaps creation followed by evolution in an older earth makes more sense?
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Hi seremela,
Yes the earth is way older than Orthodox teaching accounts for. The creation days were Aions, (Psalm 90:4 & 2 Peter 3:8). That however doesn't prove evolution at all evolution is a false doctrine.
God's awesome blast (Aka the big bag) was set to time. And although some things are hard for God, (Jer 32:27) nothing in the end is impossible for Him(Luke 1:37).
God simply took time to create the universe and all that is in it, are we to believe that God created and finished over 200 Billion known Galaxies each containg within them over 200 trillion stars in one day and then He took 3times as long to just put creatures and man on earth!? Now I'm not saying that God couldn't have done that what I'm saying is that He chose not too, He likes to get His hands dirty after all He's a potter.
God bless you as you ponder going beyond milk & meat into the spirtural realm of the mind of Christ, (1 Cor 2:16).
Hi seremela,
Yes the earth is way older than Orthodox teaching accounts for. The creation days were Aions, (Psalm 90:4 & 2 Peter 3:8). That however doesn't prove evolution at all evolution is a false doctrine.
God's awesome blast (Aka the big bag) was set to time. And although some things are hard for God, (Jer 32:27) nothing in the end is impossible for Him(Luke 1:37).
God simply took time to create the universe and all that is in it, are we to believe that God created and finished over 200 Billion known Galaxies each containg within them over 200 trillion stars in one day and then He took 3times as long to just put creatures and man on earth!? Now I'm not saying that God couldn't have done that what I'm saying is that He chose not too, He likes to get His hands dirty after all He's a potter.
God bless you as you ponder going beyond milk & meat into the spirtural realm of the mind of Christ, (1 Cor 2:16).
now i'm confused. you believe that god's creation of the world and the big bang are the same thing? that's new... and how do you believe in the biblical creation theory but think that god took an enormous amount of time to create everything. because i'm pretty sure that the bible says 7 days. but maybe that's just me...
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You might try reading this important essay, seramela06, that deals away with the notion that the Bible must accord with modern science in order for it to speak God's timeless truths about salvation and our relationships with Him and others.
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thank you, mallon. i don't have time at the moment to read the entire essay, but i'm sure it's good information. if you could kind of give me a few key pointers, that would be cool... i have read quite a few of your posts in other threads and i think you know what you're talking about unlike some of the people i've seen that just throw around ideas without doing the correct research.
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thank you, mallon. i don't have time at the moment to read the entire essay, but i'm sure it's good information. if you could kind of give me a few key pointers, that would be cool... i have read quite a few of your posts in other threads and i think you know what you're talking about unlike some of the people i've seen that just throw around ideas without doing the correct research.
Thanks for the compliment.
I highly recommend that you take the time to read the essay, as I think it is one of the best defending the evolutionary creationist perspective. To summarize, though, Lamoureux argues that inductive Bible study reveals that the authors of Scripture used an ancient phenomenological perspective to describe the physical processes of the universe, and that the Bible should therefore not be used to dictate scientific interpretation. Rather, phenomenological accounts are "vessels" by which God delivered His timeless messages concerning monotheism, salvation, human relationships, etc., so that the original Hebrew audience could understand them. This hermeneutic is called accomodationism and is fully respectful of the Bible as both inspired by God and inerrant.
__________________ We can allow satellites, planets, suns, universe, nay whole systems of universes, to be governed by laws, but the smallest insect, we wish to be created at once by special act.
Thanks for the compliment.
I highly recommend that you take the time to read the essay, as I think it is one of the best defending the evolutionary creationist perspective. To summarize, though, Lamoureux argues that inductive Bible study reveals that the authors of Scripture used an ancient phenomenological perspective to describe the physical processes of the universe, and that the Bible should therefore not be used to dictate scientific interpretation. Rather, phenomenological accounts are "vessels" by which God delivered His timeless messages concerning monotheism, salvation, human relationships, etc., so that the original Hebrew audience could understand them. This hermeneutic is called accomodationism and is fully respectful of the Bible as both inspired by God and inerrant.
i think i agree with the concept, but i will definitely read the entire article when i have time. so what you're basically saying is that the bible is used to get across the basic points that god wanted us to know but is not to be taken literally in every aspect. of course "thou shall not murder" should probably be taken at face value, but the concept that the earth was created in seven days is a bit hard to believe. especially with the scientific evidence we have at our disposal.
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i think i agree with the concept, but i will definitely read the entire article when i have time. so what you're basically saying is that the bible is used to get across the basic points that god wanted us to know but is not to be taken literally in every aspect. of course "thou shall not murder" should probably be taken at face value, but the concept that the earth was created in seven days is a bit hard to believe. especially with the scientific evidence we have at our disposal.
It doesn't deal so much with taking the Bible literally vs. allegorically as it does with being able to separate God's intended message from the incidental story in which it is delivered. The first Hebrews very likely believed the earth was literally created in six 24-hour days, but that incidental storyline/timeframe is only the vessel by which God tells us that He created (a powerful polemic at the time), not how He created.
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It doesn't deal so much with taking the Bible literally vs. allegorically as it does with being able to separate God's intended message from the incidental story in which it is delivered. The first Hebrews very likely believed the earth was literally created in six 24-hour days, but that incidental storyline/timeframe is only the vessel by which God tells us that He created (a powerful polemic at the time), not how He created.
that makes sense. i think i was with the hebrews on that one until about, let's say, yesterday.
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Hi seremela,
Yes the earth is way older than Orthodox teaching accounts for. The creation days were Aions, (Psalm 90:4 & 2 Peter 3:8). That however doesn't prove evolution at all evolution is a false doctrine.
God's awesome blast (Aka the big bag) was set to time. And although some things are hard for God, (Jer 32:27) nothing in the end is impossible for Him(Luke 1:37).
God simply took time to create the universe and all that is in it, are we to believe that God created and finished over 200 Billion known Galaxies each containg within them over 200 trillion stars in one day and then He took 3times as long to just put creatures and man on earth!? Now I'm not saying that God couldn't have done that what I'm saying is that He chose not too, He likes to get His hands dirty after all He's a potter.
God bless you as you ponder going beyond milk & meat into the spirtural realm of the mind of Christ, (1 Cor 2:16).
Isaiah 64:8 But now, O LORD, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand.
God is the potter who made you and me. But if you ask your mum's obstetrician, God did not actually use clay to make you. He used the biological processes he created and have been operating on earth over millions of years. If God as a potter does not exclude genetics and sexual reproduction that made you and me, it does not exclude evolution either. Evolution is simply how the potter made all the different forms of life.
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