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Reps: 1,984,022,293,840,305,920 (power: 1,984,022,293,840,324) | | Originally Posted by juvenissun  One critical implication argued in this thread is:
The "death" of plant should NOT be counted as death. Because plant life is fundamentally different from animal life. One is created on Day 3 and one is created on Day 5. One is created before the solar system and one is created after the Earth.
Yet according to YECs animals are a separate creation from humans too, so their death should not count either.
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Reps: 1,984,022,293,840,305,920 (power: 1,984,022,293,840,324) | | Originally Posted by Melethiel Originally Posted by Assyrian God created death whichever view you take, whether before the fall as part of ceation, or after as a punishment for sin.
The problem YECs have is that God decreed death as a punishment for sin, and then created what Paul describes as his last enemy. God creating the enemy of God? That does not make sense.
The other alternative is the death wasn't God's enemy when God created it, it only became an enemy as a result of the fall. 1Cor 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. Without sin and the law, death had no sting or power. How could that be God's final enemy?
The last enemy to be destroyed is death. - 1 Corinthians 15:26
Not sure you point here Melethiel. That is the verse I was discussing. Death is God's enemy and will be his last enemy. My question is whether it was God's enemy when death was first created. Would God create something which is fundamentally anti God? That is what YEC tells us, though they don't like to admit it.
Or was death originally part of God's good creation and only became God's enemy when it was twisted by the fall. That is when the sting of death came, which as Paul tells us in the same chapter, is sin. If there was death before the fall, without sin it had no sting. Would such a death be God's enemy?
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by Assyrian Yet according to YECs animals are a separate creation from humans too, so their death should not count either.
I agree.
But the argument now is the format (feature) of death. The death of plant is not that obvious as that of animal. So people could be confused if the death of plant is death or not. | | |
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