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4th July 2008, 10:15 PM
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by Tinker Grey  Well, at first blush, all the carbon in any diamond is the same carbon found in biology.
I wondered if you meant something else; but with you I never know -- sorry.
OK, I see what do you mean.
No. The carbon are different in its isotope composition. Biological carbon are much more enriched in C12, but mantle carbon (for diamond) has more C13. This is what the linked article talked about. They found carbon in diamond with biological signature (high C12). The diamond was in turn, enclosed in a mineral only found in continental crust. But there was not supposed to have any continental (granitic) material on earth at the very beginning.
So, these data made the origin of earth and plant very complicate. In this thread, my concern is only on the possibility that plant material existed in earth's mantle condition. |
4th July 2008, 10:29 PM
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6th July 2008, 03:40 PM
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can you share which plants you're concerned with?
You know, the ones you believe would die off beyond recovery after a couple of days without sunlight?
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6th July 2008, 10:44 PM
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by Merlin Just curious,
can you share which plants you're concerned with?
You know, the ones you believe would die off beyond recovery after a couple of days without sunlight?
The Bible says all kinds of plants. Yes, if conditions were bad (could be most of the places in the universe), they died. But in the big universe, if somewhere the conditions were good, then they survive and grow. Earth is one of such place. We might also find all kinds of seaweeds in the ocean of Europa.
Of course, this is only a near-imaginary model which is based on the Bible and the current data about organic material in the universe. |
7th July 2008, 02:02 PM
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Of course, this is only a near-imaginary model which is based on the Bible and the current data about organic material in the universe.
So then, you believe any and all plants irrecoverably die within 2 days without sunlight?
That's not been my experience.
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THE ATONEMENT
(Isa 53:5a) he was wounded for our offenses, and smitten for our wickedness:
for the pain of our punishment was laid upon him,
THE HEALING
(Isa 53:5b)
additionally with his beatings we are cured.
(Mark 16.18) ... they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well
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7th July 2008, 05:59 PM
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9th July 2008, 12:34 AM
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That makes sense---as long as one does not literalize it. Genesis 1 was written as a polemic against pagan gods.
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