Why does anyone need to identify as "gay" or "lesbian" or the king of them all "bi-sexual?"
I wouldn't say that anyone needs to identify as gay, or lesbian, or bisexual, or straight for that matter - but if someone is gay, or lesbian, or bisexual, or straight, than identifying as such makes sense.
If people that enjoy homosexuality...
People either are homosexual or they're not. Enjoying it isn't really the issue. Although I'd hope that homosexuals would be able to feel comfortable with who they are.
David.
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"...God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)
Other than asking gays to be decent about forcing their lifestyle choices onto Christians...
What "lifestyle choices" does being gay entail? And how are those "lifestyle choices" being forced onto Christians?
Gay is a sex act. Why should sexual behavior be allowed to qualify as a minority?
No, gay is a sexual orientation - a way of describing who a person is likely to be attracted to based on gender. And it should be allowed to qualify as a minority because a.) numerically it is a minority, and b.) being attracted to people of the same gender as themselves isn't something that people choose. (Indeed, nobody chooses who to be attracted to. So why the need to single out LGBT folks?)
David.
__________________ David Brider
"...God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)
Different people interpret the bible in different ways. People who have studied the languages the bible was originally written in and read these original documents find things that have been incorrectly interpreted. Some examine the texts in comparison to the time they were written in, and find reasons why certain things were considered to be 'sinful' in that time are not considered to be sinful now (such as eating shellfish). Others (priests, reverends, etc) dedicate their lives to trying to fully understand the scriptures, and read them differently then those of us with less knowledge would.
Who is to say that one interpretation is any less valid then the others?
I think this thread proves that there is definately a Gays versus the straights and Christians.
You're new here, so you don't have the benefit of knowing too many people in this forum. But there are plenty of straight Christians (for example, BigBadWlf, RDNS, and lil' ol' me) advocating for equal rights for our gay brothers and sisters. If you wish to continue nourishing your persecution complex, you should at least be more accurate and say "Gays, straights, Christians, and non-Christians versus Christian fundamentalists."
("Christian fundamentalists" reminds me of an old strip by Christian cartoonist Rob Suggs:
Pastor 1: Who took the "fun" out of "fundamentalism?"
Pastor 2: I think they took the "mental" out first.)
Basically the Christians. That is why I posted what gays teach about the scriptures I listed. They are an afront to decency and truth. But, that doesn't seem to ever stop the gay agenda from forcing its way into the Chruch and public life. Soulfoece for example, literally intimidates Christians and charges them with a sickening accusation of "spiritual violence," (another neologism) and goes from Christian Churches, Colleges and Organizations demanding to show how Christians are in error about gay sex and gay life being incompatible with Christian truth.
Time for me to post my favorite editorial cartoon again. Maybe it'll make an impression on PF this time.
__________________ "God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy."
-- Billy Currington
Different people interpret the bible in different ways. People who have studied the languages the bible was originally written in and read these original documents find things that have been incorrectly interpreted. Some examine the texts in comparison to the time they were written in, and find reasons why certain things were considered to be 'sinful' in that time are not considered to be sinful now (such as eating shellfish). Others (priests, reverends, etc) dedicate their lives to trying to fully understand the scriptures, and read them differently then those of us with less knowledge would.
Who is to say that one interpretation is any less valid then the others?
I've asked PF to provide evidence to support his claim that his is the only correct interpretation of the scriptures in question. So far he has failed to provide any evidence whatsoever, which leads me to think he has no such evidence.
At least we can point to real life and show that there is no evidence that a monogamous homosexual relationship is inherently worse than a monogamous heterosexual relationship.
__________________ "God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy."
-- Billy Currington
I've asked PF to provide evidence to support his claim that his is the only correct interpretation of the scriptures in question.
Two-thousand years of Christian theology and only now when Humanism has become the dominant influence in society is homosexuality being considered as acceptable. I have shown ample evidence that Christians should reject GLBT culture because I have offered the New Testament unaltered. NO where in the New Testament is there a position to accept homosexuality and there are solid reasons for avoiding the behavior. That shouldn't be seen as anything mean. The cartoons of the Christian hitting the pink triangle T-Shirt guy is a hateful and insulting thing to do. You can show why violence and homosexuality are wrong from an unaltered view of New Testament morality.
[quoteSo far he has failed to provide any evidence whatsoever, which leads me to think he has no such evidence.[/quote]
Sex offenders talk of what they do as not really hurting anyone. This is NAMBLA's position. They believe that sex with children doesn't hurt them at all, because they too were once introduced to this behavior and they are still alive and kicking. Many sex offenders are working members of society. If sex offenders gain more supporters in politics what do you think the future holds. We already see what the age of consent laws do.
At least we can point to real life and show that there is no evidence that a monogamous homosexual relationship is inherently worse than a monogamous heterosexual relationship.
That is an opinion of a liberal or gay mindset. Humanism through and through. And humanism opposes Christianity.
So many people, even in pederasty tolerating Greece and Rome, have oppsed homosexuality since the dawn of mankind, there has to be a solid reason why and not just an "irrational" fear of it and those that engage in it. And of course the biblical record completely rejects it. It seems history shows there are good reasons to do so. Watching our youth culture of 2008 and I see why. The unraveling of society and civilization seems a common occurance throught history and cell phones and computers make us no different than anyone else in history except for speeding up the process of debauchery. As GLBT's rise to political power and social prominence, and their "anything goes" ad campaigns influence young minds and young voters, we will see our society go the way of many, many others that have embraced moral chaos as a civil right. And now we see why, from evolution to atheism to gay marriage is a natural corruption process even in such an age as this. The Bible does indeed tell us so (as well).
Why not respond to my position in the thread. Prove the acceptability of GLBT culture and homosexual behavior from scripture.
I have noticd that no GLBT, or any of you supporters of them, have attempted to prove that Christians should engage in homosexuality as being encouraged to do so FROM the Biblical witness. There are fundamental reasons why a person is a Christian and why a person is not. Otherwise there is no way to define anything as anything. "Fundamentalism" is quite in keeping with science and logic and good morality.
I'm thinking I have offered evidence for my claims.
The Sodomites, David and Jonathan, Ruth and Naomi, a Roman sex-slave owner, please offer your exegesis on these "gay supporting" texts. Your Humanist opinion is well known to we Christians. Your Humanist Manifesto is quite well written. All three of them. Let's go champ?
I'll be back later for your fundamentals on Gay christianity.
PF, all you've managed to do is show srcipture that you believe justifies your beliefs. Other people read the same scripture and reach opposite conclusions. I've read the same passages you have and observed prohibitions against homosexual and heterosexual rape, and homosexual and heterosexual prostitution, but no prohibitions against two people -- heterosexual or homosexual -- who are in a loving, married relationship.
If you are truly interested in convincing people, and not merely being a clanging gong or resounding cymbal, then show us some real-world evidence that correlates with your interpretation.
Sex offenders talk of what they do as not really hurting anyone. This is NAMBLA's position. They believe that sex with children doesn't hurt them at all, because they too were once introduced to this behavior and they are still alive and kicking. Many sex offenders are working members of society. If sex offenders gain more supporters in politics what do you think the future holds. We already see what the age of consent laws do.
The only way I can see you confusing homosexuality and pedophilia is if you believe children can give informed consent for sex. You probably don't want to go down that road; it would be very uncomfortable for you.
So many people, even in pederasty tolerating Greece and Rome, have oppsed homosexuality since the dawn of mankind,
And people throughout history have championed slavery. History is full of people who wish to deny rights to their fellow man.
__________________ "God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy."
-- Billy Currington
You're new here, so you don't have the benefit of knowing too many people in this forum. But there are plenty of straight Christians (for example, BigBadWlf, RDNS, and lil' ol' me) advocating for equal rights for our gay brothers and sisters. If you wish to continue nourishing your persecution complex, you should at least be more accurate and say "Gays, straights, Christians, and non-Christians versus Christian fundamentalists." 
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