MJ staff and member meeting June 22-July 7

I think this is really unbelievable that I got this invitation:

Is management now allowed to bait the membership into infracting the rules?

I just received twice this past week ( including today) 'staff notices' for trying to discuss and understand this very thing. If you think I am going to fall for posting my opinion here and receiving any more on my user home page to remind me to shut my mouth, then you are sorely mistaken. Every single time I have tried to talk about this forum rearrangement I have been deleted and then warned, and now I get an invite to discuss it??????

Yes, I am sure this will be deleted and I will receive another for not understanding the rules I am expected to understand.

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And you shall know the truth and The Truth shall set you free --John 8:32

I'm very happy with the set up right now, having a safe place to banter with trins/non-trins and Jews alike in the new MW forum. I LOVE that it is easily and directly linked to the MJ forum. This way it does not feel separate at all. And where I was constantly complaining that UT is unfriendly, I do not see it that way anymore.

Like Shir has said, many, many posts were getting moved, and a little bit still are. I'm a bit confused on what belongs in the MJ forum, except perhaps posts about the weather. With such beatiful diversity in our group, there aren't very many people who fit the specific description of allowable posts in there.

[more to say...but gotta go feed the family. ]

You know, frankly come to think of all the ill will that I have felt towards me from this forum and the staff I think I shall officially denounce here and now that I no longer consider myself Messianic, nor a Messianic Jew, and defiantly not a Christian. This is not anything I want to be a part of or thought of by anyone to be connected with. If this is how Christians bring others into the kingdom, I don't want anything to do with it.

Caio

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And you shall know the truth and The Truth shall set you free --John 8:32

Right, the meeting I had is over so, now to this one.

All the way through this tortuous time, to me anyway, I have asserted just three things, set out in no particular order:

a) There is utter confusion as to who is allowed to be on/or post to/or respond to/or debate/or ask questions among the forums. In spite of many comments by staff that this is a nonsense statement (or words to that effect) many of the posts here say the same. It needs to be sorted - quickly, clearly and fairly. This is, I believe a prime mover in restoring any semblance of order

b) There should be a forum, (note the singular!) with subs for major issues as required, where all can post and debate or respond to questions. Folk can use the report button and moderators should moderate, without being over zealous policemen. Those postees who use the report button a lot should, themselves, be warned and, if it continues, be removed from the forum for a set period as 'punishment' for abusing the system. A simple, effective way of controlling a thread. The same removal system can be used against those who flame, abuse etc. Mind you, having said that I reported a post recently that I considered offensive to me and my report has been ignored, so maybe that suggestion won't help, but then others are objecting to the abuse as well - that of staff and other postees. The basic forum needs to be under the title Messianic Believers or some other entirely neutral title (ie NOT MJ or MG as both have exclusivity of one sort or another built in - if it is to be a one-size-fits-all forum the title needs to be non-threatening to OJ, MJ, MG etc. etc).

c) I object to fact that we have to be hived off somewhere else - shunted out of the way. I seriously object to us having to go to the UT area, with all the cults and sects and non-believing groups. We are not UT - when people look for us they have to pass all sorts of weird beliefs and philosophies - that is not honouring to Y'shua (how can dark and light live together?). Incidentally, how can G_d's original word be un-orthodox when so much of it is contained in the latter testament that is then deemed to be orthodox - isn't this religious discrimination?

I can quite see Lulav's point. I prophesied that all this would happen. I said it would all fragment. I hinted quite seriously that this would end in tears with people departing. I pointed out that folk couldn't understand the rules and they needed to be made simpler and clarified in an unambiguous way, or even re-written and I was ignored until it was too late. Now we are in the midst of a crisis and I, and my views on this sorry state of affairs, are suddenly important enough to be listened to and invited to say what I have been saying all along!

Just letting you all know that I am also here.

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In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl
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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

I reported a post recently that I considered offensive to me and my report has been ignored, so maybe that suggeston won't help, but them others are objecting to abuse as well.

I do not understand exactly what you mean by nothing was done. The post is no longer there.

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You are right, discussing this in the messianic forum is not allowed as it has usually turned into attacks against the staff. But we really do want to hear your voice and what you think in a way that is productive to all involved.

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主哀れめよ。(Lord have mercy in Japanese)

For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?

Matthew 16:26


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Suggestion:
Mod rules
If you do not understand or think you know what they are saying, ask the poster to clarify.
-Jewish words have been reported because they were not understood
-ideologies foreign to roman theology but commmon in jewish thinking, but not necessarily anti-creed, need to be clarified with poster.
-do not assume just because it was reported that there is fault in the post or poster.
-listen to the poster, he/she may have a point that needs to be said, move thread or start a new thread with post in question in an area where it can behandled nicely without mod attack.
- concerns over mod actions or forum difficulties need to be moved to area where they can be handled rather than mod attacked via rules over head.


I believe that the members of the forum need to be heard or they will not be able to feel at home on the forum. Can this thread be left open as an outlet for perceived or actual injustices, so that they can be dealt with, without being infracted or in violation? There is a lot of hurt goin round that needs time to heal. If need be, have a pastor/mod designated for counselling.

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Just subscribing.

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IMHO the "fragmentation" was already present, as evidenced by the amount of spite reporting, personal attacks & harassment, fringe doctrines, and lack of hospitality to outsiders. Those things have always been present.

Do those things constitute anyone's idea of "unity"?

That's not unity, it's confusion and strife.

And Messianics per se haven't been hived off someplace; that's inaccurate. You can see for yourself that there are two main different areas, and that was to give non-Trins etc. the freedom to post that they wanted.

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