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Reps: 27,749,724,098,880,132 (power: 27,749,724,098,889) | | Originally Posted by Assyrian  So if I attack the clothes people wear, the music they listen to, or their favourite film, instead of answering their argument, that is not an ad hominem because clothes, music and films aren't people?
In fact, you could grind them into little pieces and curse the plastic mothers that bore the accursed CDs, suggest that they fornicate with animals, and it would not be ad hominem.
Nicely evasive word, there. "Attack".
By the way, (he says tongue in cheek) I think you are attacking me. That must be ad hominem right? You don't like my posts against pagan symbolism. That is really an attack on me personally. It offends me horribly and breaks every rule of the CF forum.
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21st June 2008, 08:42 PM
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Reps: 1,984,022,293,840,305,920 (power: 1,984,022,293,840,324) | | Originally Posted by busterdog In fact, you could grind them into little pieces and curse the plastic mothers that bore the accursed CDs, suggest that they fornicate with animals, and it would not be ad hominem.
Except it is not the CD or the jpeg that is the target, it is the persons choice of music or avatar, and from their choice of music or avatar, the person himself. Accusation of sin, of unbelief, of having demon avatars and blasphemy are attacks against the person, their circumstances or actions, rather than their argument. If you can't deal with the argument you find something, anything, to criticise about them instead. That is ad hominem. It is also very ugly. It is also very ineffective when you keep shooting yourself in the foot. Nicely evasive word, there. "Attack".
I thought it was quite appropriate. By the way, (he says tongue in cheek) I think you are attacking me. That must be ad hominem right? You don't like my posts against pagan symbolism. That is really an attack on me personally. It offends me horribly and breaks every rule of the CF forum.
It is not ad hominem when I am addressing the stream of abuse and condemnation flooding out from YECs against TEs and evos. Judgementalism and condemnation are not a good way to carry on a discussion. It is not how Christians should treat each other either. When I see you continually resorting to that sort of attack, is it attacking you to tell you it is wrong and ask you to stop?
It is a standard defence against a claim of ad hominem that the claim is an ad hominem itself. When your whole argument consists of some judgemental condemnation, then there is no other argument to deal with other than the personal abuse, describing it as an ad hominem cannot be an ad hom itself, it is dealing with the argument given.
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21st June 2008, 09:51 PM
| | | Well, I like his avatar, it reminds me of Pan's Labyrinth... awesome movie...
Wasn't this thread suppose to be about evolutionary science?
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Reps: 272,102,686,467,179 (power: 272,102,686,475) | | Originally Posted by Assyrian Beautiful film... but they mangled the title when they translated it into English. If should be El Laberinto del Fauno, The Faun's Labyrinth. Kind of messed up the film for me the first time I saw it it. I kept expecting 'Pan' to reveal a very different character than the subservient underling he was portraying. But no he was just a faun and the plot twist I was expecting was just an artefact of a bad translation rather than some devious directorial slight of hand by del Toro. But hey, it's a great film.
the orphanage is good too, check it out
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What was your point again? I'm really sorry that I didn't catch it while all this strange discussion about pagan symbolism was going on.
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Reps: 1,465,118 (power: 1,469) | | | It's a Calabi-Yau manifold -- really important in String Theory stuffs. But anyway, I was just pointing out the fact that -- it's really quite succintly said in my signature, nearly every argument against modern science there is stems directly from misconception... I can't believe these people think that respected scientists have spent their entire lives on a crusade to hide the 'flaws' in their Big Bang, abiogenesis, and evolutionary theory in order, and in sole purpose, to undermine religious views.
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