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Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator-Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

Hi Everyone,

I hope all's well. I wrote this column last week and have been getting smeared by atheists for the past few days, getting accused of all kinds of personal things, etc. Does anyone have similar experiences?

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Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

By Yomin Postelnik Monday, June 9, 2008

One of the beautiful aspects of self evident truths is that they can be proven on both the simplest and the most complex of levels. By contrast, to make an argument for what is in fact an illogical fallacy, one must use plenty of skill, sophistry and remain beholden to a dogmatic protection of what is really an illogical position. >>>
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Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound


Do you have the logical proof of a devine creator? I'm sorry if you recieved personal attacks, but this is a fairly incredible claim to put forward and people are going to tear it apart if it doesn't stand up.
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So what is your article? This isn't a forum for coping with mean internet atheists, this is a discussion and debate place.
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Originally Posted by ypostelnik View Post
Hi Everyone,

I hope all's well. I wrote this column last week and have been getting smeared by atheists for the past few days, getting accused of all kinds of personal things, etc. Does anyone have similar experiences?
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Well, yes, after I write something stupid, someone usually will point out that it is stupid.

Even from a Christian standpoint, your article was stupid.

Being called stupid for writing something so stupid is not persecution, it is simply the truth.
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Here's the article

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3426

Havent had a chance to read it all but a cursory scan hints at several strawmen. Have fun
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What a silly rehash of old, long forgotten and disposed of arguments. It certainly doesn't say much for the Canadian Free Press.
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Hi Everyone,

I hope all's well. I wrote this column last week and have been getting smeared by atheists for the past few days, getting accused of all kinds of personal things, etc. Does anyone have similar experiences?

On CanadaFreePress

Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

By Yomin Postelnik Monday, June 9, 2008

One of the beautiful aspects of self evident truths is that they can be proven on both the simplest and the most complex of levels. By contrast, to make an argument for what is in fact an illogical fallacy, one must use plenty of skill, sophistry and remain beholden to a dogmatic protection of what is really an illogical position. >>>
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Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

By</SPAN> Yomin Postelnik

LINK to Article

Proof of a conscious Creator is readily available. The simplest proof (yet one that no atheist has ever been able to counter effectively) is that a universe of this size and magnitude does not somehow build itself, just as a set of encyclopedias doesn’t write itself or form randomly from the spill of a massive inkblot.

I cannot believe you use this argument unless of course you are stupid or just lying to your indoctrinated flock.

Firstly; if the universe cannot build itself because it is to complex; how on earth do you arrive at the explanation “it must be build by something more complex, i.e. God”. Atheists do not have to counter this argument, because you have done it for us.

For this argument to work you have to keep invoking a more complex system to explain the creation of the previously created system; turtles spring to mind.



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Hi Everyone,

I hope all's well. I wrote this column last week and have been getting smeared by atheists for the past few days, getting accused of all kinds of personal things, etc. Does anyone have similar experiences?

On CanadaFreePress

Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

By Yomin Postelnik Monday, June 9, 2008

One of the beautiful aspects of self evident truths is that they can be proven on both the simplest and the most complex of levels. By contrast, to make an argument for what is in fact an illogical fallacy, one must use plenty of skill, sophistry and remain beholden to a dogmatic protection of what is really an illogical position. >>>
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Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

By</SPAN> Yomin Postelnik

LINK to Article

No one in their right mind would claim that 10,000 hundred story buildings built themselves from randomness, even over time. Yet those who doubt the existence of a Creator believe that an entire universe, containing all of the billions of elements necessary for life to form, may have come about without a builder. As such, they give credence to billions of times more coincidences to having come about.

There are not billions of elements, in fact there are less than 100 naturally occurring elements.

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Hi Everyone,

I hope all's well. I wrote this column last week and have been getting smeared by atheists for the past few days, getting accused of all kinds of personal things, etc. Does anyone have similar experiences?

On CanadaFreePress

Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

By Yomin Postelnik Monday, June 9, 2008

One of the beautiful aspects of self evident truths is that they can be proven on both the simplest and the most complex of levels. By contrast, to make an argument for what is in fact an illogical fallacy, one must use plenty of skill, sophistry and remain beholden to a dogmatic protection of what is really an illogical position. >>>
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Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

By</SPAN> Yomin Postelnik

LINK to Article

No one in their right mind would claim that 10,000 hundred story buildings built themselves from randomness, even over time. Yet those who doubt the existence of a Creator believe that an entire universe, containing all of the billions of elements necessary for life to form, may have come about without a builder. As such, they give credence to billions of times more coincidences to having come about.

All elements are made up of protons, neutrons and electrons, through fusions all elements can be produces from Hydrogen the simplest element.

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Originally Posted by ypostelnik View Post
Hi Everyone,

I hope all's well. I wrote this column last week and have been getting smeared by atheists for the past few days, getting accused of all kinds of personal things, etc. Does anyone have similar experiences?

On CanadaFreePress

Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

By Yomin Postelnik Monday, June 9, 2008

One of the beautiful aspects of self evident truths is that they can be proven on both the simplest and the most complex of levels. By contrast, to make an argument for what is in fact an illogical fallacy, one must use plenty of skill, sophistry and remain beholden to a dogmatic protection of what is really an illogical position. >>>
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Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

By</SPAN> Yomin Postelnik

<H2 style="MARGIN: auto 0cm; TEXT-ALIGN: justify">LINK TO FOLLOWING ON PLANETARY FORMATION

They believe that not only did whole planets appear spontaneously.
</H2>No scientists do not believe planets form spontaneously.


Imagine that in a small section of the galaxy lies a cloud of gas, made up of molecular hydrogen with some mix of other light molecules (Neufeld et al. 2006a), (Neufeld et al. 2006b). If some small part of that cloud is compressed, it may start to collapse on itself. As this ball of gas collapses to form a protostar, surrounded by an envelope of colder gas, the surrounding material is also mixed and pulled in (Watson et al. 2004). If this material has any initial spin, it will rotate even more quickly as it falls, conserving angular momentum. While the star is still growing to its final size, much of the surrounding material is coalescing into a relatively flat disk that is spinning about the central protostar, perhaps firing off bipolar jets into the ambient medium.


Accretion and Jets




Finally, the envelope has been more or less cleared from around the star and a spinning disk has formed. The disk grains collide and stick together in spots to form larger grains and crystalline structures, slowly building into planetessimals (Furlan et al. 2005b), (Sargent et al. 2006), (Watson et al. 2007a).

Ice Sticks to Grains


The central protostar grows, not steadily but in violent bursts and cascades (Green et al. 2006), fed by the material raining from the envelope onto the disk and spiralling through the disk into the star. As planets form, portions of the disk are cleared out, leaving gaps and holes (Forrest et al. 2004), (Calvet et al. 2005), (D'Alessio et al. 2005).


The Formation of a Planet


The disk which initially may have been flared like the bell of a trumpet, settles slowly onto a flat midplane (Furlan et al. 2006). Finally the envelope and disk have almost dissipated and most of the planets have formed, although this stage may take tens of millions of years (Hartmann et al. 2005), (Uchida et al. 2004), (Furlan et al. 2007). If the central star has not built up enough mass, it will eventually stop shrinking and radiate away its remnant heat, becoming a brown dwarf (Furlan et al. 2005a). If it grows large enough, it will shrink until the core gets so hot that fusion of hydrogen into helium becomes commonplace, igniting a nuclear furnace that heats the star and its planetary system for millions or billions of years. At this stage the star is on the "main sequence," like our sun. A remnant debris disk of dust may remain or even coalesce planets while the star is on the main sequence (Jura et al. 2004).
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