Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator-Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

Oh, dear. The ever refuted "watchmaker" arguement.

Basically this- you know a watch has a maker, even if you can't see him. Thus, creation has a creator, even if you can't seem him.

The reason why we know a watch (or whatever thing you use; building, painting, etc.) has a maker is because there is proof. Knowledge, brand names, etc.

However, this is because there is no known natural phenomena (or however you spell it) to make watches or buildings or cars. There ARE natural, agnostic (science makes no claims on the existence of god/s) explanations for things like the formation of planets, universe, stars, life, etc.

I'll do my own analogy. I'll use snowflakes. If you've ever looked at a snowlake, it LOOKS designed. However, we know it isn't. Why? Because we already have a natural explanation for it (the crystallization of water droplets in the atmosphere)

The same is for life, planets, universe, etc.

This person is either blatantly ignorant or incredibly dishonest.

The first life forms were asexual, meaning only one organism was needed to reproduce. There were only a few kinds of organisms; most were VERY simple self-replicating molecules.

This article is full of straw-mans, scientific inaccuracies, and assumptions. Not proof of God.

Oh wow Yomin, seems there is an interesting history to your article. One that does not paint you in a very good light.

As other posters here have pointed out your argument is completely fallacious and is a repetition of arguments that have been refuted a thousand times before. "Concentrated baloney" as Myers calls it seems an absolutely correct label.

I would laugh, but your malicious and dishonest attempts to smear the opposition inspire pity more than anything else.

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Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.

But it is also true that, though sound argument and a reasonable appreciation of the available evidence may happen sometimes to lead to false conclusions, no man who is indifferent to argument and evidence can claim to be concerned for truth.
- Antony Flew

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

After reading through this I have to wonder if the OP is actually Christian at all, or simply someone claiming to be and then posting this crap in a veiled attempt to make us look bad.

And to give the atheist the fodder necessary to flaunt their superiority.

LOL

What a moron.

ChordatesLegacy,

My point was that atheists believe that all these formations happened on their own, i.e. spontaneously. I mentioned in the column that those who believe in evolution (which has many holes in it, but isn't the subject of the column) would actually have a greater problem explaning how all those steps can happen without a creator. To see why evolution is wrong (not the purpose of the above column) one can also read the bottom post of creationistsearch dot wordpress dot com
Thanks

Except that's totally untrue and defamatory. Read the first post of creationistsearcher dot wordpress dot com or any of the other places where it documents the harassment and FALSE ACCUSATIONS I've received from atheists for having written that column, including what you just linked to!

It's your side that's engaging in defamation. See the above site. Your accusations are totally untrue and even Martin Wagner, the guy who alleged them, backed down somewhat in the comments section. Of course, his goons are still attacking me. I hope you're all proud of those on your side.

No one has ever said that it happened out of nowhere, this is either your deceit or ignorance talking. The current research been done in abiogenesis is testing many hypothesis on mechanism by which life could of sprung. 'God did it' is a parsimonious answer to the question.

Maybe people should do some research before blatantly slandering someone:

On the Lies and Harassment Tactics of Martin Wagner and Russell Glasser

This from Yomin Postelnik about the harassment tactics of several atheists, many tied to the Atheist Community of Austin (TX). It was posted on an atheist forum:

As you know, I recently wrote a column about logical proof of the existence of a Divine Creator. In no place did I call atheists evil or even imply it. I simply said you’re wrong and laid out some reasons why. Now I understand that you disagree. And I disagree with many columns written every day. But I don’t react like this:
After writing the column I was the subject of a targetted write-in campaign. Many people on this forum wrote in to the Publisher asking how dare they run such an “illogical” column and demanding that they retract it. These tactics are more reminiscient of the communist party and the KGB than anything American. Those who engaged in same should be truly ashamed.
But it didn’t stop there!
I also received both a torrent of emails and a torrent of calls to my business from all over the country. Some came from other parts of the world as well. 90% of these were harassing, badgering and profanity laced.
But it didn’t stop there either!
One Martin Wagner of atheistexperience posted a post with my name in it 500 times, diriding me a nincompoop, making fun of my name, etc. and then kept googling my name (as he admitted to on an open forum) and upping it so that it comes up second on any search. When I contacted his co-administrator, Russell Glasser, he at first apologized but then later started googling me and writing comments in his full name.
Their website also published my business number and the name of an employee.
Did it stop there? No.
I asked someone who works with me and who saw the scope of the harassment to find out if Martin had done this before and how widespread it was. What he found was that Martin Wagner had a series called the Hepcats and if you go to what he called his official site hepcats dot comicgenesis dot com

, he was offering 3 updates a week and asking for paypal donations, but that no updates had been provided for over a year. This person emailed Martin and confronted him about it. I understand that as a result Martin changed the official site. Martin denies promising 3 updates but it’s the first thing you see. The only other prominent part are the paypal links. I hadn’t gotten a chance to look at it till tonight, but it is shocking.

But then Martin accused me of attacking his wikipedia page. I can assure everyone that I did not. Unlike Martin, I’m not a harasser. Just a columnist who gets harassed. In fact, my wikipedia page was minorly attacked by one of his goons, but that’s not worth getting into.

I did, however, think that the guy who found the Hepcats info did mess with his wikipedia page. But when I confronted him about it he a) assured me he wouldn’t do something that could backfire so easily and b) tonight he pointed out that in all likelihood, as Martin had been moderating my comments, one of his cronies faked my IP and proceeded to write the ridiculous things he attributes to me or my webmaster. This makes sense to me, especially since a few weeks ago, before the writing of the article,
I’d been minorly attacked on about’s atheism board and when both I and someone in the office responded, I publicly posted the IP address to show that there were no multiple usernames.

If anyone wants to know the true scope of Martin Wagner’s lack of honesty (in case the Hepcats story isn’t enough), one only has to look at his website where he still accuses me, in the title of a post, from “running and hiding” from debate (for saying that I can’t debate on 50 boards and then offering a transcript of a similar debate that I was in). In fact, on Fri. I emailed him trying to settle this by agreeing to a full debate as long as him and his cronies stop playing games. He didn’t publish the comment and keeps accusing me of running from debate instead.

I’m not going to sit back and take this outright defamation and onslaught. I reached out to both Martin and Russell several times to resolve this. They instead chose to keep google stalking me (which again they openly admit to), for the express purpose of trying to harm my name and my business (as their cohorts are very specific about in comments that Martin and Russell allow published) and posting derogatory comments all over the internet. They’ve downed positive links on my google search and keep bumping up negative ones and their manipulation of google is constant and ongoing.

If you think that these tactics and this ongoing harassment speaks well to atheists and to their cause, then give Martin, Russell and the Atheist Community of Austin, who’s office manager Don called and harassed me twice after an employee called to simply find out Martin’s contact info to save us from doing a public search. If, however, you think that these tactics are reminiscient of the Bolsheviks and the KGB, then maybe you’d like to ask them to backdown before they further harm the atheist cause.

I recognize that Martin is simply a liar, a bully and a thief and that Russell is simply a two faced lackey. I want to see if more respectable atheists believe that this harms their reputation as a whole, something I’ve always taken great care not to do.

I am looking to resolve this as I don’t like pointing to the examples of some to be reflective of an entire group. That’s why I’m asking if there’s anyone here who would like to let them know the damage that they are doing to your cause. I would like to see if they speak for almost all atheists or for only the most militant.
And feel free to let Martin and Russell know your opinion of this.



South Florida Columnist Yomin Postelnik Attacked by Atheist Group

A South Florida columnist who recently wrote a column “Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound,” has received over 200 emails from militant atheists and has found himself the target of numerous forum posts and harassing phone calls. Ask if he’d do it again, Yomin Postelnik says, “it’s a shame that people react in the way they do but, yes.”
Aside from receiving phone calls at home and at work, Postelnik says he’s also found himself accused of everything under the sun “by people (he’s) never met.” He says that while he can understand disagreements based on philosophy or beliefs, he found the level of animosity and accusations to be well past anything he’s ever experienced.
Postelnik is no stranger to the political arena, writing several columns and hosting a political blog for years. At one point he also published a small political newspaper. But he finds the latest accusations by hundreds of atheists, stemming from the column, to be beyond what he’s ever experienced before.
While initially dismissive of the matter, the number of calls and threats soon became out of hand. He has said that he’d simply like to remind people, “Thomas Jefferson said he never thought that matters of religion or political philosophy were important in human relations. I would challenge those who’ve called, emailed and otherwise sent out some of the most crazed accusations on internet boards to act in that spirit.”
Bipartisanship and coming together have been strong themes in America’s national discussion. We may yet see the day when such ideals are sacredly held, even when discussing highly charged matters of faith.

My point is that all of the simultaneous happenings, and according to evolunists the continuous simultaneous happenings, could not have been other than intelligently designed, for the reasons outlined in the column.

I can't believe that people here accepted the baseless slander from someone who called me every name in the book before we even conversed and started a harassment campaign. See my last post above. The "logic" here is just astounding in all ways.