Not getting into this again with you, Giver. You're wrong. Your theology is wrong. Your doctrine is wrong. Your interpretation is wrong. Sorry I said anything. Not gonna do it again. God bless you and may He reveal His truth to you.
You must have your head in the sand. You say that I am wrong, but are saying don’t confuse me with the facts. I have given you scripture that tell you just how off your theology is, and all you call do is say I am wrong??????
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Originally Posted by Giver
You must have your head in the sand. You say that I am wrong, but are saying don’t confuse me with the facts. I have given you scripture that tell you just how off your theology is, and all you call do is say I am wrong??????
I've shared the reasons I know you to be wrong in past posts to your other login name. You know the arguments. You don't need them repeated. What you do need is an open heart to God so He can show you the truth, because right now, you don't have it.
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For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ ... (II Corinthians 10:3-5)
I've shared the reasons I know you to be wrong in past posts to your other login name. You know the arguments. You don't need them repeated. What you do need is an open heart to God so He can show you the truth, because right now, you don't have it.
If that were so you would be able to refute the scriptural evidence that I have presented. You have been very misled. Ask yourself who taught you.
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Yes..this is concerning indeed. I can't help but think of the example...
Mat 26:31 Then Jesus said to them, "All of you will be made to stumble because of Me this night, for it is written:
"I will strike the Shepherd, And the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'
You are already doing the best thing you can do...pray and keep praying...for all leadership and the brethren.
The enemy knows time is short and his battle is lost.
I know we hold our leadership to a higher accountability...as they should be...however...we have no control over the condition of another's heart and their actions. That's is between them and God.
Whether or not you continue to fellowship at this church is also between you and God. Prayerfully seek where it is God would have you and your family fellowship according to His good will and purpose.
Sometimes...we're called to remain...to be the salt and light and sometimes we're called to kick the dust off our sandals and move on.
We must always remember...our lives no longer belong to us...but to Him...so although we may have desires and disappointments in certain situations...it's all about Him as we walk in obedience for His glory, honor and praise with complete confidence He knows, understands and has everything in control.
The Lord loves these men you're speaking of....and if they belong to Him...He will tend to His lost sheep...
Rom 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? Rom 8:32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Rom 8:33 Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Rom 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Rom 8:36 As it is written:
"For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."
Rom 8:37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, Rom 8:39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
My pastor is very strict on this issue. My church has 18k members and this issue does happen and is dealt with above board but not pointing to the person on the pulpit. However, the church leaders will speak to the person in private as not to expose publicly.
My pastor also gave strict instructions to the leaders (eg. not to drive an opposite sex home if they are alone).
1Ti 3:7 Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.
I believed that pastors are answerable to God as they are under shepherd of God to take care of His church.
Pray for the pastor, he needs great courage and also humble himself before God. It is not the pastor that left his wife but his son. He may not be able to control his son...but if he official the wedding of the 3rd woman, than I have some questions.
In fact he reminds me of a person in the OT in 1Sam. ELI...the fallen priest and his 2 sons. However, young Samuel still follows Eli and taking his instructions. However, believe that God can raise prophet even in a negative situation.
Be Bless,
Jeremy Loo
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Rom 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
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It seems that the kind of prayer you are offering do not help much. You may consider praying for strenght to help you and others to leave the church, as has already been suggested in some previous posts. One should also be aware that everyone is being confronted with all kinds of temptations and you may find similar problems elsewhere.
My best, Kutte
I agree with this.
Sometimes it seems like our prayers aren't being answered, but maybe that's because we aren't praying in God's will: we sometimes get stuck on what we think is best (and safe) and maybe not what is truly right for everyone involved (and standing up for truth might cause some to become upset for a time); BUT, as we are all one body in Christ, when one is hurting from an injustice, we all are, or should be (sometimes we need to rock the boat a bit to help others, who are causing the injustice, to remember to obey truth); and maybe what is right for everyone, in this case, is to be rescued from this church?(if hearts refuse to repent).
At least it's something worth considering, even praying about.
Thank you everyone for your advice. I appreciate the time and thought you have put into your replies.
Thank you especially to Cris413 and JDIbe (that's not to say I didn't appreciate everyone else too!) your words have been very helpful. A couple of your comments hit home as I had already considered similar things but it is still encouraging to know others have the same opinion.
I hadn't considered the second point you made
"2. Another member, seeing how the last situation was handled (or not handled) has decided to try his hand at it, too."
Whilst you are absolutely right to make that comment and I can see that may seem obvious to others I am so disheartened to think that this behaviour could easily become "the norm" if it is not addressed correctly. I desperately hope someone appropriate speaks up soon.
Thank you again.
I continue to seek God's guidance and also appreciate your thoughts and encouragement.
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