The study of 1 Enoch should not be placed in the Unorthodox Theology Forum
In the past when I have posted regarding connections between the Bible and 1 Enoch, my posts have been moved to the "Unorthodox Theology" Forum.
Am I the only one who thinks that should not be done? 1 Enoch is in the biblical canon of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, so in what manner is it to be considered "unorthodox"?
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In the past when I have posted regarding connections between the Bible and 1 Enoch, my posts have been moved to the "Unorthodox Theology" Forum.
Am I the only one who thinks that should not be done? 1 Enoch is in the biblical canon of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, so in what manner is it to be considered "unorthodox"?
I agree that Enoch should be allowed to be discussed in the orthodox boards.
Perhaps the reason why some of them have been moved to the unorthodox board is because Enoch has been used by people who practice "magic" or some sort of witchcraft religion.
On the back of the translation I have, the genre of the book even says "Prophecy/Magic".
I agree that Enoch should be allowed to be discussed in the orthodox boards.
Perhaps the reason why some of them have been moved to the unorthodox board is because Enoch has been used by people who practice "magic" or some sort of witchcraft religion.
On the back of the translation I have, the genre of the book even says "Prophecy/Magic".
I have that edition too.
During the past 100 years since the Church has not been much interested in 1 Enoch, occultists have tried to appropriate the book to their uses.
Try as one might though, there is nothing in the book related to magic or the occult or a gnostic outlook. This is because the book was informed from another tradition, not an occult or gnostic one.
The more the books "secrets" become not secrets but shown as being in line with biblical truth, the more this incorrect classification should lessen.
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Originally Posted by Gojira69 In the past when I have posted regarding connections between the Bible and 1 Enoch, my posts have been moved to the "Unorthodox Theology" Forum.
Am I the only one who thinks that should not be done? 1 Enoch is in the biblical canon of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, so in what manner is it to be considered "unorthodox"?
Has that changed since then?
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To believe that Secrets of Enoch is a book of the Bible, you have to believe that it was written by the Enoch of Genesis before he was taken up into heaven. Noah must have carried a copy on the Ark.
Secrets of Enoch implies that God has a physical body and says that the Earth is less than 6,000 years old. Further, the Garden of Eden is orbiting between the Earth and the Moon, and so is the place of torment for mortals. I assume that Eden and the place of torment are invisible since we don't see them. Or maybe Eden is orbiting halfway between the Earth and the Sun. The author of Secrets of Enoch labors under the delusion that the Moon and the Sun are the same distance from Earth.
I don't know much about the beliefs of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church but I suggest they remove Secrets of Enoch from their Canon.
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To believe that Secrets of Enoch is a book of the Bible, you have to believe that it was written by the Enoch of Genesis before he was taken up into heaven. Noah must have carried a copy on the Ark.
Secrets of Enoch implies that God has a physical body and says that the Earth is less than 6,000 years old. Further, the Garden of Eden is orbiting between the Earth and the Moon, and so is the place of torment for mortals. I assume that Eden and the place of torment are invisible since we don't see them. Or maybe Eden is orbiting halfway between the Earth and the Sun. The author of Secrets of Enoch labors under the delusion that the Moon and the Sun are the same distance from Earth.
I don't know much about the beliefs of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church but I suggest they remove Secrets of Enoch from their Canon.
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You're confused.
This thread is about 1 Enoch (notice the header), not the Secrets of Enoch, nor is it about Gone with the Wind.
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Last edited by SummaScriptura; 22nd March 2009 at 01:50 AM.
In other words, the Ethiopian Church is part of what the RCC calls the Monophysite heresy, they deny the Divinity of Christ.
"The Ethiopian Hierarchy is subject to the CopticPatriarch of Alexandria. This dependence on the Coptic Church is regulated by one of the Arabic canons found in the Coptic edition of the Council of Nicea. "
On the Bible used by this church:
"Its canon, too, is practically unsettled and fluctuating. A host of apocryphal or falsely ascribed writings are placed on the same level as the inspired books, among the most esteemed of which we may mention the Book of Henoch [alternate spelling of Enoch], the Kufale, or Little Genesis, the Book of the Mysteries of Heaven and Earth, the Combat of Adam and Eve, the Ascension of Isaias. "
In other words, the Ethiopian Church is part of what the RCC calls the Monophysite heresy, they deny the Divinity of Christ.
"The Ethiopian Hierarchy is subject to the CopticPatriarch of Alexandria. This dependence on the Coptic Church is regulated by one of the Arabic canons found in the Coptic edition of the Council of Nicea. "
On the Bible used by this church:
"Its canon, too, is practically unsettled and fluctuating. A host of apocryphal or falsely ascribed writings are placed on the same level as the inspired books, among the most esteemed of which we may mention the Book of Henoch [alternate spelling of Enoch], the Kufale, or Little Genesis, the Book of the Mysteries of Heaven and Earth, the Combat of Adam and Eve, the Ascension of Isaias. "
Firstly, SummaScriptura is correct. You seem to be confusing two very different books. The things you described in your previous post are not part of 1 Enoch at all. Second, the New Advent site is old and a bit unreliable on some things. The monophysite claim is a really old misunderstanding. The Copts do not deny the divinity of Christ at all.
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