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27th April 2008, 11:09 PM
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Reps: 529,269 (power: 538) | | Originally Posted by TheBear  Disregard post 52. It is apparent I'm in the wrong discussion. 
Not really. We just kinda derailed a little earlier off the topic. Or maybe it was vaguely related, I dunno.
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27th April 2008, 11:17 PM
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Reps: 737 (power: 0) | | | Whats the key issue here? There are Islamic sects throughout the middle east. Law is judged by their holy books in some of those countries except for the U.S.'s strong allies.
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27th April 2008, 11:18 PM
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Reps: 529,269 (power: 538) | | Originally Posted by AtheistPerson Whats the key issue here? There are Islamic sects throughout the middle east. Law is judged by their holy books in some of those countries except for the U.S.'s strong allies.
Not sure. We kinda derailed there.
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28th April 2008, 12:10 AM
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Reps: 129,461,683,782,430,688 (power: 129,461,683,782,459) | | Originally Posted by TheBear Well, in America and most western cultures, it's not Islam according to most Muslims. But in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and many other middle-eastern states where tribal Islamic law exists, honor killing is as Islamic as the Quran. Originally Posted by AtheistPerson Whats the key issue here? There are Islamic sects throughout the middle east. Law is judged by their holy books in some of those countries except for the U.S.'s strong allies.
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28th April 2008, 01:21 AM
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Reps: 9,232,419,481,440,484 (power: 9,232,419,481,452) | | Originally Posted by Secundulus Well, not only the officer, but the father that murdered his daughter, and, if you read the article, her two brothers that helped.
Ok, so a man goes and kills his daughter, and then says it is part of Islam.. He says that because he is either ill informed, or he is saying that to try and justify his actions.
Now there are so many SCHOLARS who say it is wrong. Why do you ignore what they say?
Now, if you want to see what a Sheikh has to say, check this out.. And it is full of proofs.. http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?re...onor%20killing
The only way for someone to be punished in Islam is if it is by a judge, and they have the right to a trial. These implications are obviously not being followed in "honor killings."
Now since you are a Papist, then read the Catholic Church history.. It is full of murder and hate, having witches, homosexuals, adulterers, and so many others killed. Thousands of Jews were forced to convert or were killed. Many Jews fled to Muslim lands because they at least had basic rights there.
As my 10th grade History teacher told me.. "Christianity has killed more people then even Hitler could have imagined."
So are these witch hunts, antisemitism, etc, all part of Christianity too?
Gosh, the level of hypocrisy on this board astonishes me. Originally Posted by Osiris Are you serious? are not the killers muslims? And as if this is the first time happening?
They may be Muslims, but what they are doing is not Islamic.
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28th April 2008, 01:29 AM
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Why do people persist to believe their lies? Why do you guys honestly think that Islam condones honor killing?
Don't show me some stupid statement of a police officer.. Show me QURAN AND SUNNAH where it says you can do this. I am looking for proofs from authentic Islamic texts.
I challenge you right now to try and find it. I challenge any of you here who thinks that "honor killing" is Islamic.
Stop beating around the bush with these stupid side track stories that do not prove anything, but that there are a few rotten apples.
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28th April 2008, 06:42 AM
| | | Originally Posted by français Ok, so a man goes and kills his daughter, and then says it is part of Islam.. He says that because he is either ill informed, or he is saying that to try and justify his actions.
Now there are so many SCHOLARS who say it is wrong. Why do you ignore what they say?
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28th April 2008, 07:16 AM
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You know, what kind of person would kill their own child because they fell in love with someone?
Is religion and culture greater than the sanctity of life?
I could never kill my own CHILD for such nonsense. Punish them, tell them I dont approve, tell the the risks of failure of such a relationship, but not KILL, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]! I didnt carry a child for 9 months for some moron to kill it!
I'm tired of fecking meaningless violence!
That's what it has come down to: Where do you set your priorities, some stupid stone-age customs or do you respect life? Full stop! Either you have a conscience or you fecking dont!
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28th April 2008, 07:51 AM
| | | For those thinking this is isolated, go to this link where there are hundreds of linked news articles about recent honor killings. Every single one of them had something specific in common. Can you guess what that is? http://www.google.com/cse?cx=0132552...=honor+killing |
28th April 2008, 08:16 AM
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Does't this prove the family values of Islam? It proves something by association. While I'm not familiar enough with the scriptures of Islam to point out the doctrines, the fact is whether or not it is there this is what those that practice the religion have done. That says more about the virtue of a religion than what any scholar would say. If this religion points people into condemnation of others who do not accept thier revelation as "infidels" is it a suprise the have no sancity of life?
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