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Ok, so this question has been asked more than 3 times but here we go again.
Creationists,
Please provide positive evidence for creationism. Positive evidence means that it must support creationism, this means that for this thread any evidence that attempts to only falsify evolution is not allowed.
I am hoping to avoid the PRATT lists so please check up on your evidence before posting, I'm not sure how well this will work, but it would be nice to not hear about common false things like decaying magnetic field, etc.
If any evidence is presented, we can go over it one piece at a time, so please don't go with the shotgun approach.
The claim is often made that the evidence points towards creationism, so here is a chance to present that evidence.
Arikay, you know better than this! You are giving them a false idea of how science works! You don't decide the validity of a theory by stacking up 2 piles of "evidence for" -- one for each theory -- and seeing which pile is higher or more convincing!
Listen carefully, there is evidence "for" EVERY theory, including creationism! I can post lots of "evidence for" creationism! All I have to do is go back to the work of Whiston, Whewell, and other 18th century scientists and copy their evidence!
Science works by showing theories to be wrong, or false. Falsification. Creationism has been falsified! That is, there is evidence that simply can't be there if creationism is true. Therefore, since true statements can't have false consequences, creationism is false! The "evidence for" creationism always has some other explanation for it.
Now, if anyone wants to post evidence that they have been told is "evidence for" creationism, we will be happy to go thru that and demonstrate how there are other things that also explain the evidence
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Yep I know. However this is an attempt to get Mhess (and others that make the same claim) to back up their statements that there is evidence, and we can take it from there.
The last two threads like this never recieved any positive evidence for creationism, so we will see about this one.
Originally Posted by lucaspa
Arikay, you know better than this! You are giving them a false idea of how science works! You don't decide the validity of a theory by stacking up 2 piles of "evidence for" -- one for each theory -- and seeing which pile is higher or more convincing!
Listen carefully, there is evidence "for" EVERY theory, including creationism! I can post lots of "evidence for" creationism! All I have to do is go back to the work of Whiston, Whewell, and other 18th century scientists and copy their evidence!
Science works by showing theories to be wrong, or false. Falsification. Creationism has been falsified! That is, there is evidence that simply can't be there if creationism is true. Therefore, since true statements can't have false consequences, creationism is false! The "evidence for" creationism always has some other explanation for it.
Now, if anyone wants to post evidence that they have been told is "evidence for" creationism, we will be happy to go thru that and demonstrate how there are other things that also explain the evidence
Creationists,
Please provide positive evidence for creationism. Positive evidence means that it must support creationism,
There is no "evidence" for creation, other than creation itself.
Hebrews 11:3
By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
There is no "evidence" for creation, other than creation itself.
Hebrews 11:3
By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
John, if you have nothing usefull to add, just add nothing, okay?
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Tom
'What luck for rulers, that men do not think.'
-Ascribed to Adolf Hitler-
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
-Through the Looking Glas by Lewis Caroll-
Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.
For years, I've googled around looking for empirical evidence that supports creationism. But I only find crackpot hypotheses, and attacks on evolution. Without sarcasm I say that I'd love to see some real evidence that points to creationism. Why not? I don't get paid by Team Evolution. If there is substantial evidence that overturns the conclusions of almost every scientist in the fields of geology, biology, astronomy, etc., I really want to see it.
There is no "evidence" for creation, other than creation itself.
Hebrews 11:3
By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
1) We're talking about creationism not creation.
2) Saying "A creation must have happened because something exists" has been falsified time and time again.
You have nothing but faith, deal.
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"You know that I care what happens to you
And I know that you care for me
So I don't feel alone
Of the weight of the stone
Now that I've found somewhere safe
To bury my bone
And any fool knows a dog needs a home
A shelter from pigs on the wing"
- Pink Floyd, Pigs on the Wing part 2 (from Animals)
I feel like I just walked into a room where everybody on one side of the room has a shotgun pointed at everyone on the other side of the room and everyone's afraid to take the first shot. If I say anything I'm sure to get blown back out the door.
But that's OK--Through faith I know where I'm going
So here goes...
What's the counter to the copy-of-a-copy arguement? You know, If you keep making copies of copies, don't you wind up with lesser and lesser quality rather than...evolution?!
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