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Nothing crazy about it homes. Do the research! Do the math!
The vileness of evolution contributed to the Nazi holocaust, and "cleansing" of the communists!!!
It's called history.
I know you are ignorant; but let’s play your game.
Christians did for centuries partake in discrimination against JEWS; their actions were implicit in the Nazi holocaust.
For many centuries Christians in Europe discriminated against Jews. Many harbored a prejudice against Jews that is known as anti-Semitism. Some scholars view anti-Semitism as a religious prejudice. Others regard it as an anti-Jewish variety of a general hatred directed against ethnic minorities. LINK
Quote from HERE The story of European Judeophobia so far: forced sermons and baptism, book burning, and ghettos. Now the tale takes a harsher turn: expulsions. Jews had been expelled on many occasions during ancient times, but only from the 4th century on was a systematic policy adopted. In the principal expulsions Jews were removed from a whole country for an extended period. By the end of the 13th century Jews had been expelled from England, France and Germany. This is how the story usually unfolded: The Jew was caught in a no-win situation. On the one hand he was the “royal usurer” from whom kings squeezed their much needed funds. On the other, he was the local lender and pawn-broker who collected from peasants the money he needed to sustain his uncertain existence. The Royalty protected him as long as he was useful, and as long as the anger of the creditors and mobs simmered below the surface. When the resentment boiled over, the king abandoned “his Jews” and joined in the clamor.
One look at the history of Christianity in Europe shows quite clearly that Christians were implicit in anti-Semitism against the Jew’s.
Christians are to a large degree responsible for the holocaust through their actions over the preceding centuries.
Nothing crazy about it homes. Do the research! Do the math!
The vileness of evolution contributed to the Nazi holocaust, and "cleansing" of the communists!!!
It's called history.
How, exactly?
Before exhorting others to "do the research" and "do the math," you should do some yourself. Then maybe you'd learn about the contributions of the writings of the German Christian Martin Luther, who wrote On the Jews and their Lies in 1543, to Nazism. The father of Lutheranism -- one of the two major Christian denominations in Germany -- had lovely things like this to say:
Originally Posted by Martin Luther
Yes, this is it, this is the bone of contention, that is the source of the trouble, that makes the Jews so angry and foolish and spurs them to arrive at such an accursed meaning, forcing them to pervert all the statements of Scripture so shamefully: namely, they do not want, they cannot endure that we Gentiles should be their equal before God and that the Messiah should be our comfort and joy as well as theirs. I say, before they would have us Gentiles whom they incessantly mock, curse, damn, defame, and revile share the Messiah with them, and be called their co-heirs and brethren, they would crucify ten more Messiahs and kill God himself if this were possible, together with all angels and all creatures, even at the risk of incurring thereby the penalty of a thousand hells instead of one. Such an incomprehensibly stubborn pride dwells in the noble blood of the fathers and circumcised saints. They alone want to have the Messiah and be masters of the world. The accursed Goyim must be servants, give their desire (that is, their gold and silver) to the Jews, and let themselves be slaughtered like wretched cattle. They would rather remain lost consciously and eternally than give up this view.
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Before exhorting others to "do the research" and "do the math," you should do some yourself. Then maybe you'd learn about the contributions of the writings of the German Christian Martin Luther, who wrote On the Jews and their Lies in 1543, to Nazism. The father of Lutheranism -- one of the two major Christian denominations in Germany -- had lovely things like this to say:
Not to mention that Luther was strongly influential in the protestant movement in the Netherlands, which was again highly influential in the development of American Christianity.
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Originally Posted by ShieldOFaith
Awesome!
I just love smelling the FEAR! Watching the evolutionists running scared. Eyes wide with terror over the Ben Stein movie!!!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW.
One little movie and the knees begin to knock!
One little movie and the faces turn pale!
One little movie and the sweat pours from the foreheads.
One little movie and the hands start to tremble!
All the jabs the evolutionists have taken at me and all the other Christians/Jews who believe in GOD and His creation: haaaahaaaaa....
It is funny how one little movie got so many in a tizzy! So much panic!
The smell of fear because now the lid is being blown off the pot of lies from Darwin's rancid stew!!!
Mild mannered BEN STEIN smacked the taste out of the entire evolutionist community!!!
One little movie and the panic set in the bones of the evolutionists.
One little movie and the hearts are beating faster.
One little movie and the feet begin to pound the pavement, running in fear!
One little movie and the anger begins to burn.
RUNNING SCARED FROM THE STEIN!!!
CREATION: it's whats for thinking.
You do realize this movie does not refute evolution or claim it never happened? What is puzzling is how you think evolutionists are running scared when the movie does not threaten the evolutionist's belief in evolution.
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What? Ben Stein makes a movie and look at all the Conniption fits he's throwing the darwinists into!!!
I absolutely have the good sense to understand that GOD MADE THE UNIVERSE!!!
I not only believe it; I PREACH IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS!!!
The Stein through his right leg back, raised his right hand over his head, Spit on his raised hand, and then flung that as hard as he could and SMMMAAAAACCCCKKK!!! Evolutionists the world round felt the sting!
He had the Huevos Rancheros to take on the anti-Christ backed "scientific" community and won! Little Ben Stein smacked the taste out of their mouths!
Did you see the movie?
Did you see evolutionists stammering, befuddled, and getting angry when cornered by the Stein? BEAUTIFUL!!!
Simply beautiful!!!
The best and most classic was the "scientist" who was arguing the 'back of crystals'!!!
The Stein says, "Know your roll and ....
IN THE BEGINNING GOD...
Who is throwing conniption fits here?
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What? Ben Stein makes a movie and look at all the Conniption fits he's throwing the darwinists into!!!
Where? Cite them. In detail. Or shut up already.
I absolutely have the good sense to understand that GOD MADE THE UNIVERSE!!!
That's not good sense. Believing things without evidence simply because it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy is never good sense.
I not only believe it; I PREACH IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS!!!
No, you shout on messageboards and generally act like a fool. It's a subtle difference I know, but one you can surely grasp.
The Stein through his right leg back, raised his right hand over his head, Spit on his raised hand, and then flung that as hard as he could and SMMMAAAAACCCCKKK!!! Evolutionists the world round felt the sting!
He had the Huevos Rancheros to take on the anti-Christ backed "scientific" community and won! Little Ben Stein smacked the taste out of their mouths!
Don't take this the wrong way, but are you on medication of some sort?
Did you see the movie?
No and I have no intention of doing so. I see no reason for them to make any profit whatever from me. If they wish me to see it they can send me a copy. By the looks of things they're going to have to start giving it away anyway if they want anyone to see it.
Did you see evolutionists stammering, befuddled, and getting angry when cornered by the Stein? BEAUTIFUL!!!
As I haven't seen it, no. However, from what I understand there was quite a bit of creative editing going on. Think of it as video quote-mining.
Simply beautiful!!!
Simply arrogant, ignorant and disgusting.
The best and most classic was the "scientist" who was arguing the 'back of crystals'!!!
That would be Dawkins if I remember correctly and, no, he wasn't arguing any such thing though the editing makes it look that way. Quite a dishonest tactic I must say. Then again, if they hadn't edited it their target audience (i.e. people like you) probably couldn't have followed along anyway.
[The Stein says, "Know your roll and ....
IN THE BEGINNING GOD...
His name is Stein. It is not a title. You know that, right?
I now await your completely irrelevant, pointless drivel that will doubtlessly contain more exclamation marks than actual valid points.
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What? Ben Stein makes a movie and look at all the Conniption fits he's throwing the darwinists into!!!
I think we all misunderstood SoF, he is talking about Darwinists, which pretty no one is. That is why we only see SoF screaming out of fear making several topics about it.
You know, dogmatic believe in what a single person says belongs to religion. The core of Darwin's ideas are of course right, but nobody is believing everything he said, because evolution was modified and improved. That is why it is pretty funny that in expelled they talk only about Darwinism, because really, who would call himself Darwinist?
I absolutely have the good sense to understand that GOD MADE THE UNIVERSE!!!
So where is the contradiction to evolution?
Do you also not believe that children come from reproduction, because god made us?
I not only believe it; I PREACH IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS!!!
Ehmm, yeah, great and what does this have to do with the topic?
The Stein through his right leg back, raised his right hand over his head, Spit on his raised hand, and then flung that as hard as he could and SMMMAAAAACCCCKKK!!! Evolutionists the world round felt the sting!
The only one who got smacked is people like you, because even creationists laugh at this dishonest propaganda movie.
And what world? In no industrialized country except in the USA, there is any significant doubt about evolution and I also doubt that the movie will ever air in Europe.
Here nobody feels any sting and I am sure in America neither, instead everybody is laughing or crying because they can't endure such incredible ignorance and lying.
How should this movie convince anyone? It is showing no new arguments what so ever, so why should a rational person change his mind, when he always rejected creationist's arguments, but as soon as a stupid movie comes, thinks: "Hey maybe I was wrong."
He had the Huevos Rancheros to take on the anti-Christ backed "scientific" community and won! Little Ben Stein smacked the taste out of their mouths!
Lol anti-Christ baked scientific community. You know that even in the USA the vast majority (think it was 99%) of biologists (not even evolutionary biologists) have no problems with evolution and many of them accept Jesus as their savior? (probably again even the majority)
So how can you speak of anti-christ scientific community? And again, what makes you think, that a scientific THEORY (look up what scientific theory mean (hint: a fact)) which has no scientific evidence against it would be attacked by a movie?
Only a seriously delusional person would believe that.
As far as the holocaust goes:
Consider that because of evolution we developed such complex social structures we have today. Natural selection has proven that it is much better for survival to help each other than to fight each other and therfore the holocaust does evolutionary not make sense. As long as an individual passes on his genes and produces next generations who will also reproduce he is evolutionary fit. So jews in that sense are evolutionary fit and it is called NATURAL selection, so why should we help artificially?
That is why the holocaust is anti-evolutionary and anti-Darwinist.
This proves that you are clearly been also brainwashed by movies like this and not the scientific community, because you don't understand evolution and therefore uncritically believe Stein.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm
Opps! Your hosed now!
A) Your = belonging to you. You're = you are. Please learn.
B) Cabal was accusing you of being un-American for wanting to drag the country back into the dark ages; you equated that somehow with God. Interesting admission, SoF.
C) The deists who wrote the declaration and other founding documents believed in a "creator" and "nature's god". That does NOT mean they were Christians or that they intended the US to be a Christian nation. Cite: oh, how about the good ol' Treaty of Tripoli, article 11, hmm?
Our founding fathers knew we were CREATED!
They believed that, yes. So what? That was the standard belief of the time. Jefferson believed Christianity to be absurd... so I guess that must be true, since Jefferson said so, right?
I'm right, you're wrong.
Are we all big stupid poopyheads, too?
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Does a Youtube video exists with SoF preaching from the rooftops? I'd like to see it........I think.
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