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26th May 2008, 12:51 PM
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Reps: 12,567,898,174,147,644 (power: 12,567,898,174,166) | | Originally Posted by Merlin  Neither. It means the critter wasn't a snake!
Well, the story says it was a snake.
If you say it was not a snake, doesn't that mean you are interpreting the snake symbolically i.e. not literally?
After all, it is not the story that tells you it was not a snake. So where do you get the idea that it was not from?
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26th May 2008, 01:09 PM
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If you say it was not a snake, doesn't that mean you are interpreting the snake symbolically i.e. not literally?
No.
After all, it is not the story that tells you it was not a snake. So where do you get the idea that it was not from?
I do such studies in Hebrew, rather than English.
It avoids such misunderstandings 
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26th May 2008, 02:41 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,051,715,188 (power: 9,223,372,051,740) | | Originally Posted by juvenissun You are not a very careful reader, even to such a short sentence.
Did you see the word "almost" ?
I saw it, but you are assigning incredible powers to Satan, if you think that he can work supernatural miracles for his own ends. Where in Scripture is this even suggested? |
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Reps: 1,984,022,293,840,305,920 (power: 1,984,022,293,840,324) | | Originally Posted by mooduck1 I have always seen the snake as a symbol for the devil who first tempted man. Originally Posted by juvenissun So, it was a snake with evil spirit. Satan can do almost anything. What is the surprise?
How do you jump from snake as symbol to snake with evil spirit? Do you think Jesus was talking of demon possessed 'birds of the air' in the parable of the sower?
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26th May 2008, 03:09 PM
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I do such studies in Hebrew, rather than English.
It avoids such misunderstandings
Where and how does the Hebrew indicate that the snake was not a snake?
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26th May 2008, 07:20 PM
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It is always interesting to consider how would satan even try to resist God. he did attract 1/3 of the angels (really wonder why would those angels chose him. I do think angels are quite stupid). But he knows that he is no match with the power of God. So, what is he fighting for? |
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26th May 2008, 10:42 PM
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I've always read Genesis 3:15 as the first prophesy of the coming messiah. I've always thought that way because I believe that the Genesis Stories speak symbolically of an actual event. I have always seen the snake as a symbol for the devil who first tempted man. After the devil did this God said - ' I will put hatred between you and the woman and between your off spring and hers and he will crush your head and you will bruise his heal.'
My Question is - How do literal creationists read these passages. I assume since you read it literally, that anything that I might see refering to Jesus would have to be wrong in the eyes of a literalist, since there is no room for symbolic meaning in a literal understanding. But maybe I'm missing something. Can someone help me?
Yec dude here. Yes the devil spoke through the snake. The snake creature was just used. Snakes don't talk. The audience of the bible would be expected to understand this. In fact skeptics of the bible would have to say this is the authors intention. Likewise the snake was not killed but cursed along with all other creatures. Indeed the snake is one of the few creatures to have vestigial evidence, legs, of a previous anatomical state when if evolution was true this would be common. Despite losing its legs the snake is still within kind and so a example for all creature adaptation potential.
The snake being subtile was about the creature and not satan. Satan seeing this decided to enter the snake. Ece thought she was talking to the snake creature.
Yes this is where the reason is set up for a person to come and destroy the snake. This sets up about Abraham and his seed being the line to the snake destroyer. |
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Reps: 12,567,898,174,147,644 (power: 12,567,898,174,166) | | Originally Posted by RobertByers Yec dude here. Yes the devil spoke through the snake. The snake creature was just used. Snakes don't talk. The audience of the bible would be expected to understand this. In fact skeptics of the bible would have to say this is the authors intention. Likewise the snake was not killed but cursed along with all other creatures. Indeed the snake is one of the few creatures to have vestigial evidence, legs, of a previous anatomical state when if evolution was true this would be common. Despite losing its legs the snake is still within kind and so a example for all creature adaptation potential.
The snake being subtile was about the creature and not satan. Satan seeing this decided to enter the snake. Ece thought she was talking to the snake creature.
Yes this is where the reason is set up for a person to come and destroy the snake. This sets up about Abraham and his seed being the line to the snake destroyer.
So you agree that the snake is to be interpreted symbolically, not literally, and this would have been clear to the first audience.
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27th May 2008, 12:29 AM
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Reps: 18,889,155,825,852,136 (power: 18,889,155,825,864) | | Originally Posted by RobertByers Indeed the snake is one of the few creatures to have vestigial evidence, legs, of a previous anatomical state when if evolution was true this would be common.
Don't forget whales, dolphins, caecilians, amphisbaenians, etc.
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