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“Iraq Has Really Become Somalia…A Collection of Different Militias”—Back from Baghdad, Journalist Nir Rosen Paints a Picture of a Broken Iraq
Independent journalist Nir Rosen joins us in our firehouse studio soon after returning from three months in Iraq, his latest visit since moving to Baghdad to cover the US invasion in 2003. “It’s been propagated by the right and accepted by the left in the US that the surge, which is really an escalation of troops […] by 30,000 soldiers, somehow brought peace to Iraq,” Rosen says. “This is just an absolute lie. Violence has subsided somewhat in Baghdad, that’s true, but it’s not the result of the increase in American troops directly. It’s the result of a few other factors.”
I saw a death toll suggesting as low as less than 100k already... But I heard it broke a million quite a while back.... I wouldn't trust it from just hearsay... but there's quite a few sources who agreed on a 1.2 million count from back in September.
... all agree on the 1.2 million statistic, of course, a lot of them are repeating one study.
Also here's a counter for the cost of the war http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home
... it's up past $510 billion at the moment... and rising just as steadily as it was when we were still hunting down saddam.
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I feel that the bad news about the Iraq war, is it has outlasted the american's people patience. The american people do not support this war. It will end in one to three years, this war is over with, and we lost. It was poorly planned, infact the post invasion, wasn't planned at all, it was figure it out when we get there, and now we are sick of it.
Bush is in denial, that this war is overwith, he has got to know he screwed up, he really messed this one up. We lost a war to insurgents.
I feel that the bad news about the Iraq war, is it has outlasted the american's people patience. The american people do not support this war. It will end in one to three years, this war is over with, and we lost. It was poorly planned, infact the post invasion, wasn't planned at all, it was figure it out when we get there, and now we are sick of it.
Bush is in denial, that this war is overwith, he has got to know he screwed up, he really messed this one up. We lost a war to insurgents.
Unfortunately the American people are Not against this war at least not in the majority. Republicans and Christian societies are in favor of this war.
Wait a sec... Christians are in favor of the meaningless slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people?
I don't know where you come from, but my bible says "thou shalt not murder." We've killed over a million of them and sacrificed thousands of our soldiers because... we just needed someone to fight?
This war was about money. Plain and simple. They've tried every other excuse to sweep it under the rug. And it's not the kind of war that strengthens the US economy... but bush gets to pretend to be some hero war time commander while he sits at home at his ranch while cheney's pockets get REAL fat... at the cost of the welfare of the rest of us... on top of the lives of our troops and the innocent people they're slaughtering.
... then again, they don't salute our flag, so their lives are worthless, right? That's real christian too.
... I'm sorry... but you need to separate "republican" from "Christian." Jesus died for the sins of ALL man kind... including people in Iraq. Christians know, it is NOT OK to slaughter them so that a few people can benefit financially.
... unless you can justify it? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11... there were never any WMDs... and, yes sadam was a bad person... but he only killed a total of 1/4 as many as we've killed in 5 years. Why are we there other than "support our troops, america can't lose! Stay the course!"
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Galations 5:19-25 1 Corinthians 13:1
Wait a sec... Christians are in favor of the meaningless slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people?
I don't know where you come from, but my bible says "thou shalt not murder." We've killed over a million of them and sacrificed thousands of our soldiers because... we just needed someone to fight?
This war was about money. Plain and simple. They've tried every other excuse to sweep it under the rug. And it's not the kind of war that strengthens the US economy... but bush gets to pretend to be some hero war time commander while he sits at home at his ranch while cheney's pockets get REAL fat... at the cost of the welfare of the rest of us... on top of the lives of our troops and the innocent people they're slaughtering.
... then again, they don't salute our flag, so their lives are worthless, right? That's real christian too.
... I'm sorry... but you need to separate "republican" from "Christian." Jesus died for the sins of ALL man kind... including people in Iraq. Christians know, it is NOT OK to slaughter them so that a few people can benefit financially.
... unless you can justify it? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11... there were never any WMDs... and, yes sadam was a bad person... but he only killed a total of 1/4 as many as we've killed in 5 years. Why are we there other than "support our troops, america can't lose! Stay the course!"
Hundreds of Thousands? Were do you get your info? DKos? Put on your pants and go upstairs and look at the sunlight.
Our country did not invade Iraq because of 9/11. If you read something other than Mad magazine, maybe you might know that. I am not sure.
As to your claim thet there were no WMD's, I will let the truth lie in the media circulated evidence of a difference of fact. Deny them here on CF. I could use a good debate.
The war was about money?
Let us look at facts. (OP scratching himself due to the rash).
We spend billions from the treasury, nothing in return.
Wait a sec... Christians are in favor of the meaningless slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people?
I don't know where you come from, but my bible says "thou shalt not murder." We've killed over a million of them and sacrificed thousands of our soldiers because... we just needed someone to fight?
This war was about money. Plain and simple. They've tried every other excuse to sweep it under the rug. And it's not the kind of war that strengthens the US economy... but bush gets to pretend to be some hero war time commander while he sits at home at his ranch while cheney's pockets get REAL fat... at the cost of the welfare of the rest of us... on top of the lives of our troops and the innocent people they're slaughtering.
... then again, they don't salute our flag, so their lives are worthless, right? That's real christian too.
... I'm sorry... but you need to separate "republican" from "Christian." Jesus died for the sins of ALL man kind... including people in Iraq. Christians know, it is NOT OK to slaughter them so that a few people can benefit financially.
... unless you can justify it? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11... there were never any WMDs... and, yes sadam was a bad person... but he only killed a total of 1/4 as many as we've killed in 5 years. Why are we there other than "support our troops, america can't lose! Stay the course!"
Jesus died for all of mankind, I agree. But your arguement goes much further than that. He died becaise He could not, being God, Himself, do otherwise. But He also told the truth. He also slew whomever would contradict His promises. So yes, God is warlike. He slays His enemiy, and is victorious. That is why we Christians bond to Him, love Him.
But we don't set History, or agenda. We follow it. Extoll it. We are not violent, but we are allowed to be defensive.
'Turn the other cheek', does not mean, 'Be a punk'.
We have the same right to defend our faith as any other. Even atheism.
Hundreds of Thousands? Were do you get your info? DKos? Put on your pants and go upstairs and look at the sunlight.
So, "hundreds of thousands" is unbelievable to you? May I ask what you think the death toll is over there and where you get that idea?
Most of the world agrees with the figure of 1.2 million dead iraqis as of almost a year ago. And most studies done in the first year of the war went well over a couple hundred thousand. The ONLY source I've seen that gave a number less than 100k was a study counting the number of specific deaths being reported over here. But that's ONLY the ones that specifically made news. Remember that they're not allowed to report a lot of the specifics or war because it gives away troop locations, and can take away the value of tactical positioning. ... so we may sweep through a neighborhood and kill a thousand without the military calling up Fox and saying "hey, we killed 1,042 people today, their names were....."
You can see how ONLY counting the number of specific people that were reported over here is going to be a gross underestimate because a lot of times, they aren't exactly "open" about military matters.
Run a search on youtube for "blackwater" and you'll find a video of one of their cars just cruisin' down the street, blowing away random cars and chucking grenades into people's yards. And footage taken by an iraqi of some army lookin' "heroes" grabbing a random kid off the street and beating him. The kid didn't pull a gun, he wasn't resisting anything, he was just walking down the street. Even assuming the army feller saw some reason to be threatened that the camera didn't capture... there's no reason him and his friends should have been kicking him and beating him on the ground after they already had him detained, half a dozen on one.
And you can be sure that's not too shocking of a sight because another group of army fellers walked by, saw it happening, and didn't bat an eye at it.
Our country did not invade Iraq because of 9/11. If you read something other than Mad magazine, maybe you might know that. I am not sure.
Yes... we did. Get in a conversation for a while with someone. There weren't WMDs, so obviously no evidence of it. Saddam was a bastard, but that's no reason to wage a war with such disrespect for human life. 95% of the people I've spoken to who support the war will say the same thing when I suggest that it's wrong for us to wage a completely unprovoked war. ... They see "unprovoked" and start talking about 9/11.
If it wasn't that, then why did we go there? Why are we still there? "Because we can't leave, cuz then we'll lose?" ... so we'll just keep slaughtering people who did nothing to us... because their leader was cruel and slaughtered them? Or are we still there because we had a feeling they COULD still have some of the WMDs we made for them? ...knowing that they don't, but we should stay the course until we "win." ... "win" being undefined... but we gotta stay there until we do.
As to your claim thet there were no WMD's, I will let the truth lie in the media circulated evidence of a difference of fact. Deny them here on CF. I could use a good debate.
Yes, there were no WMDs. "But they have metal there, and you can build bombs with metal, so they were obviously thinking about it!!!" ... No, us assuming that they may have been thinking about something is not a reason for an unprovoked war. Aren't we supposed to be the beacon of freedom in the world? And yet we'll kill hundreds of thousands simply because we think some of them MAY be thinking something?
The war was about money?
Let us look at facts.
We spend billions from the treasury, nothing in return.
Follow the money.
Let's. No, the american people made nothing on the war. And our national debt is skyrocketing. However, Companies like Haliburton and Blackwater have been making BANK over there. Tax free. And Tax sponsored. You know what happens when a Haliburton truck gets a flat tire over there? They detonate the whole thing, and have the tax payers buy a new truck and new cargo at inflated prices. You think Blackwater's fighting for peace? They're contractors... the longer the war goes on, the more money they make. The more bullets they spray into innocent people, the more those people will retaliate... and "oh, I guess it's still not safe, the tax payers had better pay us (tax free) to hang out longer... oh, and you have to reimburse us for all the bullets.
Military forces are supposed to END conflict, not keep it going as long as possible simply because they make money the longer they kill. Contractors like Haliburton are NOT supposed to waste as much money as they can so that WE get to foot the bill.... Meanwhile... while I'm paying for a new truck, I can't afford health insurance for myself. So, if I get sick... I get to declare bankruptcy.
No... "America" isn't making jack on the war. We're dumping money into a few military contractors hand over foot. But those contractors are making an amount of money I don't even want to guess at.
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