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Old 25th January 2009, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jcook922 View Post
I'm not here to debate the morality of the war, because to be honest I could really care less when it comes to morality being in politics. But don't discount that we have made strides in Iraq. The fighting isn't really too intense anymore, and the Iraqi military has stepped up and does the vast majority of the legwork with United States logistics support.
Is there an Iraqi military? One run by actual Iraqi generals and such?

The oil? Fine, that's important, but the fact that those air bases will stay in the middle east until the day our nation falls is the most important part, it means we have a middle eastern jump-off point OTHER than Israel for a change. That means a ton in a strategic sense, things have actually gotten better in Iraq, people just refuse to see it that way. There's no way for a war like this not to be ugly.
So your point is that it's good we're going to continue to occupy Iraq so we can launch more wars in the Middle East without exposing Israel to retaliation?

That means a ton in a strategic sense, things have actually gotten better in Iraq, people just refuse to see it that way. There's no way for a war like this not to be ugly.
Better than when? Not before the invasion, surely. They still don't have consistent public safety, clean water, electricity, medicine, transportation - what we take for granted.
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Originally Posted by jcook922 View Post
it means we have a middle eastern jump-off point OTHER than Israel for a change. That means a ton in a strategic sense
Oh... so "operation iraqi freedom" was about slaughtering hundreds of thousands of iraqi civilians, overthrowing a sovereign nation without provocation, and spending hundreds of billions of tax dollars... So we get more air bases in a place other than Israel?

... niiiiice. That's totally worth trashing our economy and losing our constitutional rights.

... So... bush served 8 years... Did he actually accomplish anything during that time? Anyone know of ANYTHING positive?
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but the fact that those air bases will stay in the middle east until the day our nation falls is the most important part, it means we have a middle eastern jump-off point OTHER than Israel for a change
Hopefully the Iraqis will somehow rise up and free their country of all foreign aggressors.
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Yes. You can use "defense" as a Christian excuse for the insurgents. But the vast majority of innocent blood spilled, will not fall under the "defense" category. War is horrible, murder & death are a consequence of War.

Jesus Christ tells us to love our enemies. How can we do this if we are sending our soldiers TO foreign countries so the insurgents can hide behind their innocents? I'm not against defending our country...I am against innocent bloodshed (on either side) by offensive war.

We could do a lot better by dropping billions of bibles than dropping bombs.
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And Listen to the news now-a-days... Obama's taking some of the blame... saying america has made some mistakes in the past... And the media's flipping out about "How dare he apologize! America doesn't get what it wants by apologizing!"

No... an extremist nation that selfishly takes whatever it wants through violence and threats of violence doesn't get "what it wants" through peace. But, such a nation is by very definition a terrorist nation. Which is what we've been for the past 8 years. Hopefully that is ending.
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Hopefully the Iraqis will somehow rise up and free their country of all foreign aggressors.
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