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Old 30th March 2008, 05:48 AM
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First off, to use the "Oneness" icon, what do you have to believe?

And I'm curious as to many people on what they see the Holy Spirit as and how many view Jesus as divine (I don't).

I'm also curious as to if people can believe in the Holy Spirit as feminine aspect of the One God, but I'm tempted to ask this in another thread. Help with the first two, please?
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First off, to use the "Oneness" icon, what do you have to believe?

And I'm curious as to many people on what they see the Holy Spirit as and how many view Jesus as divine (I don't).

I'm also curious as to if people can believe in the Holy Spirit as feminine aspect of the One God, but I'm tempted to ask this in another thread. Help with the first two, please?
Collins Dictionary on the word "divine" is:-adj of God or a god. Godlike. Informal: splendid or perfect.

So in this sense it would be fitting to call Jesus divine or of divine origin. "Of God" means from God, which he was and said so and his Father backed him up three times on the matter: at his baptism, at the transfigeration and at the temple when some said it had thundered. Being divine does not mean he was God and as yet no clear cut bible verse confirms that.

The Holy Spirit is God's Active Force. We stuggle sometimes to visulalise God in human terms, but as a spirit being we always fall short. Yet the Holy Spirit has with God's direction accomplished many things. It has strengthened many including Jesus, the Apostles, Paul and others to do marvellous things. This Spirit was poured out on 120 followers of Jesus at Pentecost 33C.E. just as Jesus had promised. That day these men and women spearheaded the work about the Good News about Jesus and on that day around 3,000 were baptised and took home their new found faith. An active force can accomplish a lot of good, and God uses it to do so. It is not, in my belief a person in the spirit realm as God is or as Jesus is now.
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As I am not sporting the oneness icon I am wondering are you asking of this faith icon only or to others concerning questions two and three?
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Originally Posted by InnocentOdion View Post
First off, to use the "Oneness" icon, what do you have to believe?
they don't seem to be to specific about it. if you are UPC you're safe.
Originally Posted by innocent

And I'm curious as to many people on what they see the Holy Spirit as and how many view Jesus as divine (I don't).
the Holy Spirit is the spirit of YHWH or God the Father. God the Father is holy and God the Father is spirit according to scripture. Since there is only one Holy Spirit, God the Father is the Holy Spirit.

Leviticus 11:44 For I am the LORD (YHWH)your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

God is holy.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

God is Holy Spirit according to scripture, therefore he is the Holy spirit. Cause there ain't two of them.

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I'm also curious as to if people can believe in the Holy Spirit as feminine aspect of the One God, but I'm tempted to ask this in another thread. Help with the first two, please?
God ain't no girl in any shape form or fashion. God is the Holy Spirit. The holy Spirit of God is who he is just as my soul is who I am. I am not my body, or my human spirit, but I am my soul and when I die that's all that will be left of me.
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Originally Posted by InnocentOdion View Post
First off, to use the "Oneness" icon, what do you have to believe?

And I'm curious as to many people on what they see the Holy Spirit as and how many view Jesus as divine (I don't).

I'm also curious as to if people can believe in the Holy Spirit as feminine aspect of the One God, but I'm tempted to ask this in another thread. Help with the first two, please?

I don't think the Holy Spirit is a feminine aspect. I think to try to fully comprehend the Holy Spirit is impossible. It's just something we cannot fully wrap our puny humanly brains around.
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Originally Posted by InnocentOdion View Post
First off, to use the "Oneness" icon, what do you have to believe?

And I'm curious as to many people on what they see the Holy Spirit as and how many view Jesus as divine (I don't).

I'm also curious as to if people can believe in the Holy Spirit as feminine aspect of the One God, but I'm tempted to ask this in another thread. Help with the first two, please?
I use to attend a Oneness church, but I get so confused on doctrines because I have been in 3 denominations... I went to an Apostolic Pentacostal Oneness church.... I have always had trinity confusions.... and the Oneness church does not believe in the trinity. Thats the biggest difference between them and other pentacostal churches. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND (as i said i get confused) the Oneness churches preach that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is just ONE....in three manifestations.... they all "rank" the same..so to speak... does that make sense?? I could be explaining this all wrong... Another belief I noticed at that church is that they believe in the Baptism of the HOly Ghost....and its evident by speaking in tongues. At the church I went to, you could not serve unless you spoke in tongues... I never did, so I could not play piano during the service. They also baptize in the name of Jesus Christ (not in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit). ALSO, at this church, they are very conservative with attire. Women wear long skirts, sleaves (can have short sleeves, but no tanks or halters), no make-up, definitely no pants or shorts, and your hair does not get cut. Men are to be conservative as well. I'm sure you could Google "Oneness Apostolic Pentacostal" and gain better knowledge than I can explain.

So, your origional question was, what do you have to believe to sport the Oneness icon.... I hope I have helped some.
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Originally Posted by InnocentOdion View Post
First off, to use the "Oneness" icon, what do you have to believe?

And I'm curious as to many people on what they see the Holy Spirit as and how many view Jesus as divine (I don't).

I'm also curious as to if people can believe in the Holy Spirit as feminine aspect of the One God, but I'm tempted to ask this in another thread. Help with the first two, please?
You might want to check out my thread called The Hebrew Holy Spirit in thi section.
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Originally Posted by InnocentOdion View Post
First off, to use the "Oneness" icon, what do you have to believe?

And I'm curious as to many people on what they see the Holy Spirit as and how many view Jesus as divine (I don't).

I'm also curious as to if people can believe in the Holy Spirit as feminine aspect of the One God, but I'm tempted to ask this in another thread. Help with the first two, please?
Jesus is divine...being born of God, the same as that which is born of a human is human.

All true born-again children of God are divine...we are partakers of the divine nature. Being born of incorruptible Seed...how could we be anything else?!

I think we could say that the "feminine" side of God was in His Word; because that we are born of the "water and blood" that flowed from His side on the Cross of Calvary.

As Eve was taken physically from the rib of Adam...the "bride" of Christ is birthed from His "side"...spiritually.
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Originally Posted by InnocentOdion View Post
First off, to use the "Oneness" icon, what do you have to believe?

And I'm curious as to many people on what they see the Holy Spirit as and how many view Jesus as divine (I don't).

I'm also curious as to if people can believe in the Holy Spirit as feminine aspect of the One God, but I'm tempted to ask this in another thread. Help with the first two, please?
This is the belief of the oneness believer. There are other types of oneness such as Sabellism or Modalism, but a true Oneness believer does not subscribe to that belief . The teaching below is the simplest way to explain our belief.

#1 The Father is God, Jesus is God, The Holy Spirit is God.
#2 However Jesus Christ is also the Father and the Father is the Holy Spirit.
#3 In other words there is one God the Father, who came in a body (the son) and who is the Eternal Spirit (the Holy Spirit). So they teach that the Father came in the flesh as Jesus, and is a Spirit ''The Holy Spirit''.
#4 So it is similar to the Trinity doctrine in that we have 3 who are one, but Oneness doctrine says that the 3 ''persons'' are not separate, but actually the same 1, who is God.
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Originally Posted by onwingsaseagles View Post
This is the belief of the oneness believer. There are other types of oneness such as Sabellism or Modalism, but a true Oneness believer does not subscribe to that belief . The teaching below is the simplest way to explain our belief.

#1 The Father is God, Jesus is God, The Holy Spirit is God.
#2 However Jesus Christ is also the Father and the Father is the Holy Spirit.
#3 In other words there is one God the Father, who came in a body (the son) and who is the Eternal Spirit (the Holy Spirit). So they teach that the Father came in the flesh as Jesus, and is a Spirit ''The Holy Spirit''.
#4 So it is similar to the Trinity doctrine in that we have 3 who are one, but Oneness doctrine says that the 3 ''persons'' are not separate, but actually the same 1, who is God.
Wow onwings this is awesome that is exactly what I believe, and it is explain very simplistically so that anyone could understand. Good job
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