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Let's put all the rhetoric aside and talk plain, Thaumaturgy.
Today's science is of the devil, and scientists, who should be doing God's work on a mundane level, are instead acting in the capacity of Satan's puppets.
Now you may not like that, but I have already shown how science and Satan interface, using the very words of Jesus, Himself, Who was talking to Satan at the time.
You can dress it up and make it look neutral, but the fact of the matter is, nature is hostile, but obedient to God; and atheists and [most] scientists do not savor the things of God.
And all a Theistic Scientist does, is talk out of one side of his mouth in a laboratory, and the other side of his mouth in a church.
You don't want to know what I call it; and as far as this guy being a Buddhist, or his post being wrong, or whatever --- take it up with him. I'm really not interested. I've already stated who is really behind today's science, and it would make this guy's article pale by comparison.
Who is it? Is it the Aliens?
The Illuminati?
Or the christianity's favorite whipping boy the Jews?
Leaving AV's science-is-the-devil stance out of it, I don't agree that it is true that people cannot grasp the basics of scientific methods without practical experience in a post secondary school lab situation. A decent elementary school education will outline and teach an understanding of scientific method, and a decent high school education will elaborate on scientific principles and methodology, to the degree that students who take science education no further are still able to evaluate by research/reading whether a discovery has gone through a reasonably rigorous scientific examimation or not. I hesitate to propose that public schools are better generally in Canada than in the US, but reading here and elsewhere, that is definitely the impression with reference to science, biology, even geography and history.
Let's put all the rhetoric aside and talk plain, Thaumaturgy.
OKey dokey. But you ain't gonna like it.
Today's science is of the devil, and scientists, who should be doing God's work on a mundane level, are instead acting in the capacity of Satan's puppets.
Let me be very plain here: You sound like either a child or delusional when you say this.
No offense, I understand it is your religious faith that causes you to talk like this, but I'm being "plain" here.
When I hear an adult say this it just sounds silly.
It sounds doubly so when it comes from someone who doesn't know the first foreign thing about what science is or how it is done.
May I ask what it is you do for a living?
Just generally. Are you a janitor? An accountant? A businessman? Because you are busy telling scientists what science is all about, and, plainly speaking, you sound like a fool to me.
Now you may not like that, but I have already shown how science and Satan interface
Wouldn't it help your point if you knew anything about science? Or actually had an interest in science?
You tell us all Science is "god's gift", but you don't even know what it is, and then you tell us scientists are unwittingly satan's puppets?
Sorry but you are verging on "Uninformed Blowhard" status.
Gimme a break. I've asked you before but what would you say to an atheist who wished to slag Christianity but had never read the bible or set foot in a Christian church? Would you take them seriously?
This is an important question because I'm seeing a lot of Creationists who seem to forget the Golden Rule in their quest to slag fields they themselves don't understand.
You can dress it up and make it look neutral, but the fact of the matter is, nature is hostile, but obedient to God
Could you bother to say this again, only with something like "meaning" or "content"? I'm getting tired of reading this pablum. It's meaningless garbage. Word salad that only has meaning to you.
; and atheists and [most] scientists do not savor the things of God.
Are you unable to pay attention? Look at the folks on this board. Maneki and Molal both are Christians! They may not be YOU but they are Christians.
I used to be a Christian!
I would have to work really hard to find an open atheist anywhere in the scientists around me.
I work among scientists and have for a couple decades now. I haven't met many full-on atheists.
What is YOUR experience?
And all a Theistic Scientist does, is talk out of one side of his mouth in a laboratory, and the other side of his mouth in a church.
You are amazingly uninformed on this subject.
[bible]Matthew 7:1[/bible]
You better start backing up your slander or you will be on the border of breaking a commandment. You remember, the one about "false witness"?
Last edited by thaumaturgy; 10th March 2008 at 01:55 PM.
You may be right -- I never realized how useful the scientific method was until I got out of the classroom and into the lab -- but there has to be some way to get more people to appreciate it.
I don't want to drag this too far afield, but this reminds me of the debate between long time fans and bandwagon fans. I was listening to the Jim Rome show (a sports talk radio program) and he hit it on the head. More people are bandwagon fans nowadays because they simply don't have time to waste on a losing team. In the same way, people have less and less free time every year and if they don't want to spend it learning about science then that's fine. I can understand that. Some of us find science very interesting and we spend our free time learning about scientific fields that we were not trained in (theoretical physics is my guilty pleasure). But at the same time, how many people are as nerdy as we are?
It sounds like the media's first priority is to draw eyeballs, not to disseminate information.
That's it exactly. The media tries to "sex up" science, often at the expense of the science itself.
(I remember an alternate medium that existed about 10 years ago, a calendar called "Studmuffins of Science." It had 12 months of beefcake Ph.D. scientists showing that science was not just cool, but also hawt. There was supposed to be another calendar coming out that had the lovely ladies of science as well, but the project folded before it happened. Too bad -- I wanted to be Mr. January when I got my doctorate, and it closed up seven years too soon. )
There are hot lady scientists!!!!?????
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