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So let's re-cap:


Evos have nothing accept one unsupported assertion. that's their evidence for evolution.
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Originally Posted by Grizzly View Post
yes it is.

Can you please explain how a baby human can be born with a tail?
please stop changing the subject and SHOW me the mutation. Show me the paper that presents the evidence.
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Originally Posted by guzman View Post
please stop changing the subject and SHOW me the mutation. Show me the paper that presents the evidence.

Changing the subject? It's the same subject.

Hall, B. K. (1995) "Atavisms and atavistic mutations." Nature Genetics 10: 126-127. [PubMed]
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Originally Posted by Grizzly View Post
Changing the subject? It's the same subject.

Hall, B. K. (1995) "Atavisms and atavistic mutations." Nature Genetics 10: 126-127. [PubMed]
no it's not the same subject. It is not my job to explain how the "tail" or whatever that is, got to be. It is your job to support your assertion -- that a mutation caused it.
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Originally Posted by guzman View Post
I don't need a paper.

Or coherent reasoning, logic, or even a well thought out argument.

All you need to do what you've done is ignore what you've been told thousands of times on this board supersport.
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Originally Posted by Grizzly View Post
yes it is.

Can you please explain how a baby human can be born with a tail?
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Originally Posted by guzman View Post
no it's not the same subject. It is not my job to explain how the "tail" or whatever that is, got to be. It is your job to support your assertion -- that a mutation caused it.
I just did.
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No new structures through mutation?

This from talkorigins:

Documentation of mutations producing new features includes the following:
  • the ability of a bacterium to digest nylon (Negoro et al. 1994; Thomas n.d.; Thwaites 1985);
  • adaptation in yeast to a low-phosphate environment (Francis and Hansche 1972; 1973; Hansche 1975);
  • the ability of E. coli to hydrolyze galactosylarabinose (Hall 1981; Hall and Zuzel 1980);
  • evolution of multicellularity in a unicellular green alga (Boraas 1983; Boraas et al. 1998);
  • modification of E. coli's fucose pathway to metabolize propanediol (Lin and Wu 1984);
  • evolution in Klebsiella bacteria of a new metabolic pathway for metabolizing 5-carbon sugars (Hartley 1984);
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Originally Posted by biggles53 View Post
No new structures through mutation?

This from talkorigins:

Documentation of mutations producing new features includes the following:
  • the ability of a bacterium to digest nylon (Negoro et al. 1994; Thomas n.d.; Thwaites 1985);
  • adaptation in yeast to a low-phosphate environment (Francis and Hansche 1972; 1973; Hansche 1975);
  • the ability of E. coli to hydrolyze galactosylarabinose (Hall 1981; Hall and Zuzel 1980);
  • evolution of multicellularity in a unicellular green alga (Boraas 1983; Boraas et al. 1998);
  • modification of E. coli's fucose pathway to metabolize propanediol (Lin and Wu 1984);
  • evolution in Klebsiella bacteria of a new metabolic pathway for metabolizing 5-carbon sugars (Hartley 1984);
well why don't you show me the mutations.....(for example, the green algae thing does not involve a mutation at all, from what I remember.)....and also, most of those do not involve structures....for example, "the ability to digest" is not a structure....neither is the "ability of e. coli to hydolizye galactosylarabinose....neither is the "adaptation of yeast"...but show me the papers on the others.
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Originally Posted by guzman View Post
well why don't you show me the mutations.....(for example, the green algae thing does not involve a mutation at all, from what I remember.)....and also, most of those do not involve structures....for example, "the ability to digest" is not a structure....neither is the "ability of e. coli to hydolizye galactosylarabinose....neither is the "adaptation of yeast"...but show me the papers on the others.
oh, how are they not mutations that build new structures?

what your asking for is impossible. Its like asking to see your great grandkids before you have a kid of your own. each structure in biology is based off a older and similar structure. So you wont find the answer you seek because your asking the wrong question.

The correct question is, How do new structures form?
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