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Originally Posted by speakout View Post
This is based on a false assumption or several false assumptions. It is simple God does heal amputees, it is called a creative miracle.

I will present evidence of God healing people who are amputees.
when?
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Old 12th November 2008, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tcampen View Post
when?
I guess they're still looking.
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And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

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Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.


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Isaiah 8:12-13 (NIV) "Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread."


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Originally Posted by speakout View Post
This is based on a false assumption or several false assumptions. It is simple God does heal amputees, it is called a creative miracle.

I do not see anyone healing anyone by chance, how do you do that anyway, I would like to try to do it.

Did Jesus, drag people who did not want healing to be forcefully worked on? Of course not because God respects the choice of those who refuse to be healed. Where does this idea that God does not heal amputees come from?

I will present evidence of God healing people who are amputees.
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Posted in March.
Now near the End of November

Anything yet ???
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Luke 10:27 (Love God Above All, And Your Neighbor as yourself)
And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.


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If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.
Isaiah 8:12-13 (NIV) "Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread."


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PGP, I believe the aforementioned individual ceased posting after the mod appeared presuming the thread was to be shut down or something.

Usually when a person says "I will present evidence for x or y," they already have something in mind.
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Originally Posted by LordTimothytheWise View Post
PGP, I believe the aforementioned individual ceased posting after the mod appeared presuming the thread was to be shut down or something.

Usually when a person says "I will present evidence for x or y," they already have something in mind.
That or they (And no one else) has any evidence that they can post of such an event.
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Luke 10:27 (Love God Above All, And Your Neighbor as yourself)
And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.


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Originally Posted by NLN View Post
But more than this, consider the fact that there have been absolutely no reported cases of amputated limbs being regenerated in humans. Rather than saying that God does not favor amputees, this strongly suggests that if God exists, she plays absolutely no role in the healing of human ailments. In other words, faith healing cannot be used as an argument for the existence of God.
Sorry, you are wrong. There is -- Pierre De Rudder, and his bones are kept today in Belgium.

Do you know how much time the Vatican spends on each healing case?
Years and years of investigations. If those healing cases are all frauds,
the Vatican wouldn't have to spend so much efforts on each of them, and could simply give an "OK" as soon as each is reported.
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This is not my question, but one posed by Marshall Brain (creator of the popular How Stuff Works website). It's a profound question, because it points out why supposed faith healing cannot be used as an argument to justify the existence of God.

It has been widely demonstrated that cases of faith healing occur at rates no greater than that expected by chance alone -- a fact most often ignored by religious believers.

But more than this, consider the fact that there have been absolutely no reported cases of amputated limbs being regenerated in humans. Rather than saying that God does not favor amputees, this strongly suggests that if God exists, she plays absolutely no role in the healing of human ailments. In other words, faith healing cannot be used as an argument for the existence of God.

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Another profound question would be how would God justify His existence?

Is the healing of amputees the means to justify His existence in the first place? Understanding that wether it is a mortal person or Him doing the justifying can be two totally different things. The real question is how would God reveal Himself to humanity and the individual?

It's not as if powerful miracles as the means that justifies God as the way of finding the truth is put into question by Jesus own words, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah." (Mt 12:39)

And even the complete opposite in symbolic language is given by Him, "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." (Mt 5:30)

I believe there is more to God than physical miracles, after all if any person were to allow themself a moment in freewill and sincere soulfelt objectivity ask, "God do you exist?" and then have Him not answer, what is to be made of it? That God is rather rude and if He does exist is being irresponsible?

Perhaps the proof of God's existence can be found in a hard lesson science itself had to get past. That there was a time when inquiring minds felt the Sun, the Moon and stars all revolved around the Earth and mankind. Only to find out differently. Likewise God's existance can only be seen when the people have their eyes opened in a moment of revelation, at His chosing and understand our lives revolve around Him and not Him around what was created.
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Sorry, you are wrong. There is -- Pierre De Rudder, and his bones are kept today in Belgium.
He wasn't an amputee.

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