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View Poll Results: Choose how you want to be created.
I am tempted to say god, but that would depend on the nature of the god now wouldn't it? See, I have a great deal of chronic pain in both my knees and back, caused by poorly adapted foot mechanics. If I had been created by a god, then (assuming he was nice) my feet would be much better designed and would not hurt. Also, living with ADHD in a structured, industrial society would be considered a cruel joke if it had been done deliberately, and that's another problem I'd be rid of if I had been created by Mr. Fluffy Bunnies and All Things Nice (tm). Rather a nice thought really.
If, on the other hand, the god is like the one described in the Bible, who advocates stoning, human sacrifice, and demands unquestioning total fealty (he demands even more devotion than yo ugive to your own family, as depicted in the story of Abraham and Isaac and by Jesus' call to his disciples to "hate their own mother" before joining him), than I would much rather be evolved. I'll take the impartial judgement of natural selection, flawed though it may be, over the capricious mood swings of a wrathful, vain and possessive god any day.
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As a hypothetical question, placing science and religion aside for a moment, let's say you could choose how you would come into this world. What would you choose?
well.. if you just voted i can guess what you voted.
Ah but I haven't stated wither or not I voted
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Spoiler for Some Good Rules for Christians:
Luke 10:27 (Love God Above All, And Your Neighbor as yourself) And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
Originally Posted by Saint Augustine
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If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.
Isaiah 8:12-13 (NIV) "Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread."
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Even completely ignoring all the Abrahamic religions, there are some pretty unpleasant gods available in the global spectrum - not naming the god in question makes for a gamble I'd not care to lose.
Even completely ignoring all the Abrahamic religions, there are some pretty unpleasant gods available in the global spectrum - not naming the god in question makes for a gamble I'd not care to lose.
Loki anyone
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Spoiler for Some Good Rules for Christians:
Luke 10:27 (Love God Above All, And Your Neighbor as yourself) And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 7:12 (Do unto others)
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 5:43-48 (Pray for those that persecute you)
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Luke 6:27-29 (Love your enemies.)
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
Originally Posted by Saint Augustine
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If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.
Isaiah 8:12-13 (NIV) "Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread."
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As a hypothetical question, placing science and religion aside for a moment, let's say you could choose how you would come into this world. What would you choose?
A.) evolved from primates.
B.) created by God.
Ya totally mentioned God, by the way.
and i made my point, if your created, you can not choose who or what created you. but you guys prolly missed that ey?
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Even completely ignoring all the Abrahamic religions, there are some pretty unpleasant gods available in the global spectrum - not naming the god in question makes for a gamble I'd not care to lose.
laments terms please
__________________ So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
As a hypothetical question, placing science and religion aside for a moment, let's say you could choose how you would come into this world. What would you choose?
A.) evolved from primates.
B.) created by God.
I hate to break it to you, but we are primates. Since human populations are subject to natural selection this makes us evolved primates.
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