I have a friend who is coughing up blood (seems like a sign of tuberculosis) but he refuses to see a doctor because he firmly believes Jesus would heal him, that he just needs faith. I want to give him other points of view but I lack arguments, so I come here to seek your help.
Here is a part of what he wrote to me :
when it comes to doctors, my physician is Jesus. he can heal me whenever he's ready to do so. if he doesn't, there is nothing that can save me. what he binds, no one can loose, and what he looses, no one can bind. what he closes, no one can open. if i go to a doctor, it shows i do not trust him to heal me. the woman who bled for ~12 years had sought medical attention from many doctors, but they could do nothing. what the Lord smites with sickness, only he can allow to be healed. deut 28 lists many sicknesses associated with the curse of the law. everything from tumors to bad luck to losing your wife is in that list of curses. the thing is, i need real faith. faith that works. faith that heals, not only myself, but others. because i want to heal people. i want to lay hands on the sick, and they recover. (...)
so what's cloggin up the works? unforgiveness? probly. doubt? yea probly. disobedience? oh yea. sin? you betcha. so i shouldn't be surprised if i'm coughing up whatever junk and lung bits. i'm only getting what i deserve from God, even as i've hoped others would get what they deserve. and indeed, even in getting what i deserve, i'm not getting fully all i deserve, or else i'd be on fire with leeches covering my body from tip to toe. (...)
its sad... many christians, hard-core holy-rollin' christians, -- they lack faith in Christ as Physician. They say, oh, well Jesus is all well and good for saving souls, but bodies? now? in this day and age? we've got modern medicine for that, they say. they say, who needs Jesus when you have pills and surgery? that faithless attitude has worked its way deep deep deep into many churches, and its an attitude that is despised by God. He alone heals, and he wounds. (...)
There is some lack of understanding in your friend in what God actually says.. Sickness is not a punishment.. in that he is getting what he deserves.. Jesus became the curse.. He took the punishment for our sins.. so we could be made righteous..
If Jesus took our punishment we don't need to be punished anymore.. We can be healed without doctors.. but sometimes God uses doctors..
Check out the story I just posted about how a doctor prayed when God spoke to him and a man was raised to life from death.. It wasn't the doctor who healed him.. rather the doctor was used by God to help the man.. and he would have been dead had this doctor not acted on what God said.. This man would have gone to an eternity of not knowing God.. Because before he died he didn't know God.. Praise God.. that is one heck of a healing don't you think..
You need to pray for your friend and also ask God want He would have you to do concerning him.. Maybe you might be the instrument God uses to help heal your friend!!
I will pray for you both.. It will be because Jesus took our sin and became the curse your friend will be healed.. but God might do it through a person.. you or a doctor!!
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Coughing up blood could be causd by something other than TB and God can use medicine and doctors to heal the sick.Praying for your friend.
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Who do you think created medicine & doctors --- God
Originally Posted by irenemcg
Coughing up blood could be causd by something other than TB and God can use medicine and doctors to heal the sick.Praying for your friend.
To piggyback on what you said, God created doctors and others in the helping professions as he did the rest of us. So seeking help from a skilled professional is the prudent thing to do.
An old Christian friend of mine used to say, some people believe that prayer will heal all their illnesses. Prayer will definitely help. But if I get hit by a car and am laying in the street do me a favor. Pray for me but please, please, please, call me an ambulance!
God bless.
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Hi Yummi, it's very sad when a Christian gets caught up in blind discipline and blind obedience.
Now please explain to your friend that our Lord Jesus Christ gave the Gift of Medicine to doctors to heal natural illnesses. Our Physician, our Lord Jesus Christ heals mostly spiritual sicknesses through His Servants.
I've seen far too many good Christians die from blind discipline and blind obedience, and false teaching.
HE came to heal the broken-hearted, heal the sick and cast out demons.
Please tell your friend that the enemy has more to say in these things, and that our Lord Jesus Christ is pleading with them right now to and see the doctor, and to have it checked out.
Now it may not be anything really serious, but a couple of weeks on antibiotics it will clear up and they will healed in Jesus' Name..
This reminds me of an old joke/story my dad used to tell me...
Basically, a very devout Christian's town had a terrible flood. The man was sitting on the furniture in the first floor of his house by the time help first arrived.
The people on the inflatable raft said "Come on, there's room for one more! If you don't get of of your house now you'll surely drown before anybody can come back for you."
The man said "No, no thank you, I will pray and God will surely save me. Please go on without me." So off they went.
Then some people on a motor boat came. By now, the Christian man was on the second floor of his house just to avoid the water, looking out the window. The people said, "Get on our boat and we'll take you to safety! Hurry, the waters are rising!"
The man said "No, I do not need your help; I will pray and God will save me." So the people left.
Finally, the man was on the roof of his house because the waters had filled his house. A rescue helicopter hovered nearby and the people used their megaphone to say "We are sending down a harness--get in it and we'll save you."
The Christian man shouted back, "No, I will not; my faith is more than enough to save me." And so the helicopter went away, and soon after that the man drowned.
The good Christian man went to heaven. He asked God, "I had faith in you, but you still let me drown! I don't understand why. I was a good Christian and I prayed for you to save me. Why did you let me drown?"
And God said to the man, "Yes, you were very faithful, and you deserved to be saved from that flood, so I sent you two boats and a helicopter."
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Ah. The truth is, the word is so much stranger than that. It's so much darker. And so much madder. And so much better.
This reminds me of an old joke/story my dad used to tell me...
Basically, a very devout Christian's town had a terrible flood. The man was sitting on the furniture in the first floor of his house by the time help first arrived.
The people on the inflatable raft said "Come on, there's room for one more! If you don't get of of your house now you'll surely drown before anybody can come back for you."
The man said "No, no thank you, I will pray and God will surely save me. Please go on without me." So off they went.
Then some people on a motor boat came. By now, the Christian man was on the second floor of his house just to avoid the water, looking out the window. The people said, "Get on our boat and we'll take you to safety! Hurry, the waters are rising!"
The man said "No, I do not need your help; I will pray and God will save me." So the people left.
Finally, the man was on the roof of his house because the waters had filled his house. A rescue helicopter hovered nearby and the people used their megaphone to say "We are sending down a harness--get in it and we'll save you."
The Christian man shouted back, "No, I will not; my faith is more than enough to save me." And so the helicopter went away, and soon after that the man drowned.
The good Christian man went to heaven. He asked God, "I had faith in you, but you still let me drown! I don't understand why. I was a good Christian and I prayed for you to save me. Why did you let me drown?"
And God said to the man, "Yes, you were very faithful, and you deserved to be saved from that flood, so I sent you two boats and a helicopter."
Thank you Keiko. And it's so true.
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This reminds me of an old joke/story my dad used to tell me...
Basically, a very devout Christian's town had a terrible flood. The man was sitting on the furniture in the first floor of his house by the time help first arrived.
The people on the inflatable raft said "Come on, there's room for one more! If you don't get of of your house now you'll surely drown before anybody can come back for you."
The man said "No, no thank you, I will pray and God will surely save me. Please go on without me." So off they went.
Then some people on a motor boat came. By now, the Christian man was on the second floor of his house just to avoid the water, looking out the window. The people said, "Get on our boat and we'll take you to safety! Hurry, the waters are rising!"
The man said "No, I do not need your help; I will pray and God will save me." So the people left.
Finally, the man was on the roof of his house because the waters had filled his house. A rescue helicopter hovered nearby and the people used their megaphone to say "We are sending down a harness--get in it and we'll save you."
The Christian man shouted back, "No, I will not; my faith is more than enough to save me." And so the helicopter went away, and soon after that the man drowned.
The good Christian man went to heaven. He asked God, "I had faith in you, but you still let me drown! I don't understand why. I was a good Christian and I prayed for you to save me. Why did you let me drown?"
And God said to the man, "Yes, you were very faithful, and you deserved to be saved from that flood, so I sent you two boats and a helicopter."
Yep K, a great one that has been around for sometime. It's a good example of blindness.
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