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5th June 2004, 03:30 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | This bugs me...the chosen people God chose the jewish people to work out his salvation through them. Why would God need to chose "A" people. Isn't our God big enough to chose all people? And wouldnt' that make more sense | 
5th June 2004, 05:32 PM
|  | Elevate My Soul 31  | | Join Date: 4th May 2004 Location: Ohio
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Reps: 2,084 (power: 11) | | | In the Old Testament God chose the Jewish people. And frankly the Jewish people got the end of God's anger too, for they largely fell to their own ways.
Jesus changed all this...He reached out and still does reach out for everyone...Jew, Gentile, Muslism, man, woman. With Jesus there was a new covenant, everyone could go to the prescence of God without fear or tredipdation.
I know this was a quick answer and I could give you specifics if you are interested. I just didn't want to bombard you when you seemed to be looking for a quick answer! | 
5th June 2004, 05:47 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | |  Thanks, but it didn't really answer my question. I know about the NT new covenant.
But why would our God choose A people in the OT? He's big enough to choose ALL people, isn't He?
It's never made sense to me. | 
5th June 2004, 06:56 PM
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5th June 2004, 07:06 PM
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Reps: 29,198 (power: 40) | | | Your perception of the Israelites is shaped by our modern interpretations. God always had a heart and a ministry to the Gentiles. They were called to be His people just as the "Jews" were. In fact, the "Jews" were never a pure blooded race- the patriarchs, those who came out of Egyptain bondage, etc, all show the universality of the Jewish nation, how Gentiles lived side by side with "Jews." God has always been working with Gentiles as well as Jews. He is not biased. The only reason that he chose a specific people was first of all to have a tangible line for the Messiah to come from, and also because the Jews were one of the few groups of people who ever allowed God to use them to reveal more of His word, his Will, his character, etc.
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5th June 2004, 07:22 PM
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Reps: 2,084 (power: 11) | | | I agree with the previous posters. Back then there was no nation of Israel. God had made His covenant with Abraham, who had Issac, and then Jacob whose name was changed to Israel. So it wasn't a nation God chose but rather a family to begin the line of His people, with His ultimate goal of calling everyone His people. Please don't think that God favors people of a certain heritage more than other because that is simply not the case. As far as Him choosing Abraham, well He had to pick SOMEONE didnt' he? Hope this helps. | 
5th June 2004, 10:28 PM
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Reps: 67 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by kau2u God chose the jewish people to work out his salvation through them. Why would God need to chose "A" people. Isn't our God big enough to chose all people? And wouldnt' that make more sense 
Hi there!
Let me paint a picture for you...
It's after the creation and fall of man, and God is no longer walking on the earth and talking with man, but the only way to communicate is through prayer.
God sits on His magnificent throne as God the Father, with the presence of the Eternal Word and Holy Spirit there on that singular throne. And God looks at his creations on the earth, looking for upright people who will accomplish His work... and He sees Noah, but God also sees all the peole who are not upright and righteous, and God call Noah to a special work, knowing that Noah will not fail.
You know the rest.
and mankind moves on... and then God spots Abraham. He calls him out of a polytheistic home and out of a polytheistic society and calls him away from his family, and God promises Abraham a land for his obedience.
You know... we don't know if God offered this same proposal to others because there's no other record, but when God offered that plan to Abraham, Abraham listen to what God said, and in time, learned to be so close to God that he was the only person to be called "God's friend".
The reward of that walk with God was the promise of a land and a people of his generations that would serve God, just as God said in the intial proposal. Jas 2:23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
God chose "a people" and He tested them until they proved themselves... that took nearly 3500 years, until the time of the Babylonian captivity when "those chosen people" stopped trying to incorporate idol worship with worship to God. You see, "those chosen people" failed again and again, but Abraham's faith was the "guarantee" until the time of Christ....and God's promised Abraham a land and a people.
And they have paid a price for being the chosen of God... just as Christian pay a price in this world for being the chosen of God. Isn't our God big enough to chose all people?
God not only is big enough to chose all people, but God did predestine all people to salvation. People either chose God or reject God, that is where free will fits in with predestination.
~serapha~ | 
5th June 2004, 10:29 PM
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5th June 2004, 11:06 PM
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6th June 2004, 09:11 PM
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