This bugs me...the chosen people

DrPepper · #41 8th July 2004, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by DrPepper

What about that verse "blessed are those who bless the jews" or something meaning those who are good to the Jews will recieve blessings.

I'm not a fan of Jack Chick, but one of his tracts is "Love the Jewish people" and he claims in it that the fall and rise of countries and their success is due to their support or lack of support for Israel.

What do people think about this?

Please can people comment on this? Thanks.

ischus · #42 8th July 2004, 10:14 PM

can you give the biblical reference, please?

DrPepper · #43 9th July 2004, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by ischus

can you give the biblical reference, please?

Sure, The below is on the Tract:

"I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curse thee"
Genesis 12:3(See also Genesis 27:29)

Thanks.

Subduer · #44 10th July 2004, 07:54 AM

Hi & Salaam

Most replies were right .
To be messenger of God is a mission that needs many conditions , so , not any one can success in it , that means ,it is not good , at all , in thr right of God , to send a messenger , then he failed in his mission . So , God choses suitable persons for that mission that have many qualifies ,not found in other people .

Also ,God cannot be in direct touch with people , because he is unlimited being , so there must be a human being to be a mediator between God & people , those mediators are called messengers and prophets .

Imagine that you want a person to fulfil your mission , you will chose a suitable person who has all the needed qualifies to success in it , that's accepted matter and realestic .

In bible , it is said that Jonan escaped from this mission , and in the sea he was swallowed by a whale , in my opinion that doesnot give us a true view about the messenger , because messenger cannot refuse God's will to be his messenger , also messenger must not afraid from people , because he knowe well that he is protected from God .

These and other same things are the answer of the question , why God chose specific people for this mission .

I was astonished from the member who claimed that Adam & Eve were jews , i advice him to refer to the subject mentioned in this forum discussing that point .

Subduer · #45 10th July 2004, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by DrPepper

Sure, The below is on the Tract:

"I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curse thee"
Genesis 12:3(See also Genesis 27:29)

Thanks.

Hi & Salaam

yes , that's right , but - according to my knowledge - that was at that time , when they were choosen as a people - crowd - of God .

Then God put some certain conditions to them , after they disobied God and Moses , in many things , not only God , but also Moses became angry from them , they caused by their disobedience , to prevent Moses from entering the holy land , and he died out of it .

more than that , they denied Jesus the Christ , and complained about him to the Roman governor, which caused to Jesus many troubles .
can any one think , after all that bad things in doings and sayings , that the saying "" "I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curse thee"
"" is still valid ! i donot think that .

RachyG · #46 11th July 2004, 09:54 AM

does this not bring in a bit about predestination? people say Christians are 'choosen' and it says that in Ephesians 1:5

In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure

Dictionary def of 'predestination'

The doctrine that God has foreordained all things, especially that God has elected certain souls to eternal salvation.

The divine decree foreordaining all souls to either salvation or damnation.

The act of God foreordaining all things gone before and to come.

mayb this is totally off topic but i think God has still a 'chosen' people...mayb i'm totally wrong in sayin this...i don't really no....

leecappella · #47 13th July 2004, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by kau2u

Thanks, but it didn't really answer my question. I know about the NT new covenant.

But why would our God choose A people in the OT? He's big enough to choose ALL people, isn't He?

It's never made sense to me.

I've just recently pondered this question. Because my view of the bible is not like many, I'd say it has something to do with the human response to the Spirit's leading. That is, the human, biblical authors of the bible wrote as they understood things to be. Personally, it does not sound like God to choose a certain people as 'chosen'. This implies that all others not chosen or the 'unchosen'. This may be how you are thinking about the whole 'chosen/unchosen' thing, eh? At the present, I think it had to do with the Jewish people wanting to make themselves God's chosen and it came through in what was approved to be included in what we call the bible. To me, anyone who says something similar to, "If they are not with us, they are not part of us!", which, paraphrasing, is somewhere in the bible, then that sounds more like man than God and religious bigotry trying to make their views and religion 'the chosen' religion.

leecappella · #48 13th July 2004, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by RachyG

does this not bring in a bit about predestination? people say Christians are 'choosen' and it says that in Ephesians 1:5

Dictionary def of 'predestination'

[/color][/list]mayb this is totally off topic but i think God has still a 'chosen' people...mayb i'm totally wrong in sayin this...i don't really no....

IMHO, the bible is a book written by those who took what Jesus taught and made it into a religion, which I don't see was Jesus' goal or intent. So, when reading the bible and Ephesians 1:5, you are going to see the words of a christian who believes that only christians are of God and are going to heaven and what is said by that author is going to support what they believe to be. Again, my humble opinion.

rainbowprism · #49 13th July 2004, 05:31 PM

Ok I haven't checked in on this thread in awhile so if this has already been said then forgive me:

God chose for ALL people to come and have relationship with him. In the OT, he doesn't segregate His people. It is only after the Flood, and people have turned away from Him and began to worship idols/false gods that God began to put His plan into action to bring His children back to Him. It was through a particular family that had been predicted would bring back the kingdom to God from Abraham's descendents, when one of his children accepted the calling his name became Isreal. And from this came the concept of a covenant community. Now even though the Isrealites were "chosen" they still dissapointed and messed things up. But the reality is that Jesus opened up the oppurtubnity to all to COME BACK to the Father through a particular set of people that were really floundering on thier own anyways, despite thier 'chosen' status (ie. Pharisees, Sanhedrin). So my point is Jew, Gentile, man, woman...whatever---we are all chosen to have relationship with God.

Bible Quote · #50 14th July 2004, 04:40 PM

"God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth"

-- 1 Timothy 2:3-4