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Election has always been God's modus operandi. Israel was blessed and cursed by being the chosen nation, because God held them accountable.

Also keep in mind that it was the seed of Israel, Jesus Christ, that brings salvation to people of all nations and races.
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Originally Posted by kau2u
God chose the jewish people to work out his salvation through them. Why would God need to chose "A" people. Isn't our God big enough to chose all people? And wouldnt' that make more sense
He chose a people he knew would rebel against him, in order to show his unending forgiveness toward the world.

If he forgives those who constantly went against him, it shows his grace.
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Every people would rebel, its not about being picky. Grab one, and go with it. Nothing on earth lasts for ever.
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Originally Posted by Bizzlebin Imperatoris
Every people would rebel, its not about being picky. Grab one, and go with it. Nothing on earth lasts for ever.
Except Christ
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Originally Posted by Bizzlebin Imperatoris
Every people would rebel, its not about being picky. Grab one, and go with it. Nothing on earth lasts for ever.
I agree, that is what happens when you are under The Law. The law of our flesh works against it, causing us to sin even more. But The Law is good, we are not (Romans 6).
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One people would be those that choose to obey God, but those that do are from all nations. The original promise to Abraham was for his seed to be "many nations" - "hamon goyim" - multitudes of gentiles. Through the seed of Abraham all the nations of the earth were blessed.
God's plan was to save all people's, not just one tribe of Israel, Judah. ALL who have faith in God.

Gen. 17:5 Neither shall thy name <08034> any more be called <07121> (8735) Abram <087>, but thy name <08034> shall be Abraham <085>; for a father <01> of many <01995> nations <01471> have I made thee <05414> (8804).

Strongs concordance: 01995 Nwmh hamown haw-mone’ or Nmh hamon (#Eze 5:7) haw-mone’
from 01993; TWOT-505a; n m
AV-multitude 62, noise 4, tumult 4, abundance 3, many 3, store 2, company 1, multiplied 1, riches 1, rumbling 1, sounding 1; 83
1) (Qal) murmur, roar, crowd, abundance, tumult, sound
1a) sound, murmur, rush, roar
1b) tumult, confusion
1c) crowd, multitude
1d) great number, abundance
1e) abundance, wealth
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Strongs: 01471 ywg gowy go’-ee rarely (shortened) yg goy go’-ee
apparently from the same root as 01465; TWOT-326e
AV-nation 374, heathen 143, Gentiles 30, people 11; 558
n m
1) nation, people
1a) nation, people
1a1) usually of non-Hebrew people
1a2) of descendants of Abraham
1a3) of Israel
1b) of swarm of locusts, other animals (fig.)
n pr m 1c) Goyim? =" nations"


Revelations 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
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Dear Serapha,I do wholeheartedly agree with your answer to "Why Israel the chosen people".I have been thinking of the ongoing war and atrocities,which are going on in Israel.Do you think Israel belomgs to the Jews/Israelites,because God has promised it to Abraham and his followers,or do you think that ALL Israelites/Jews have to accept Jesus Christ as their Saviour?One or two people I have asked that question,answered"Not until.I would appreciate your answer Serapha.Greetings from Emmy.
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Most people do not realize or remember from the Old Testament that there are TWO houses of Israel, and that both are significant to end times. God has not changed His covenant towards man and has blessed all of mankind through Abraham's seed. I recommend reading a book online by Batya Wooten - "Who is Israel and Why you Need To Know". It goes into detail about the two houses of Israel and God's promises and the prophecies concerning both houses. Even the New Testament scriptures point out the significance, yet it is not taught very often in Church and many are led to believe in "replacement theology" for Israel, which is plainly in error. Here is the link for a free reading of the book - skip the into, it is not her writing, and the book is about much more than the replacement theology:
http://www.aarons-advocates.org/BACONT.html

Acts 13:23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Romans 11:25-26 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery - so that you will not be wise in your own estimation - a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in: and thus all Israel will be saved....

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Another book relevent to end times and the forces gathering in the Middle East against Israel is "The False Prophet" by Ellis Skolfield. Although I disagree with some of his material that is amillenniel, other parts are very accurate concerning "the fullness of the Gentiles", the "abomination of desolation", and the "anti-Christ". The two houses of Israel and their reunion play into the last days scenerio of the world - end times that we live in.
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