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2nd March 2008, 02:18 AM
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Salam/Shalom/Peace.
I keep hearing Muslims saying that Allah cannot have "partners".
In the NT/NC, YHWH refers to JESUS as His "Beloved Son". How do the Muslims or even the Baha'is interpret this.
Btw, the Jewish/Hebrew/Greek book of Revelation also show JESUS actually proclaiming Himself as the "Son of YHWH".
How do Muslims explain this? Thanks. 
http://www.scripture4all.org/
Good Hebrew/Greek/English interlinear
Matthew 17:5 Still of-Him talking, behold!, a cloud, bright, overshadows them. And behold!, a voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is the Son of Me/YHWH, the Beloved, in whom I delight, be ye hearing Him!".
Acts 3:22 For Moses indeed toward the fathers saying: 'That a prophet to ye shall be raising up Lord, the God/YHWH of ye out of the brothers of ye as Me. Of Him ye shall be hearing according to all as much as ever He should be speaking toward ye'. [Deut 18]
Revelation 2:18 And to the messenger of the assembly in Thyatira, write! Now this is saying the Son of the God/YHWH, the One having the eyes of Him as flame of fire, and the feet of Him as to white copper.
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I keep hearing Muslims saying that Allah cannot have "partners".
In the NT/NC, YHWH refers to JESUS as His "Beloved Son". How do the Muslims or even the Baha'is interpret this.
Btw, the Jewish/Hebrew/Greek book of Revelation also show JESUS actually proclaiming Himself as the "Son of YHWH".
How do Muslims explain this? Thanks.
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we understand this expression (son of god) as rightous servant for god
it dosnt mean that his actual son (genital).
when christian called any priest by father , it dosnt mean that he is actual father for them |
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If Allah had willed to choose a son, He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created.
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I keep hearing Muslims saying that Allah cannot have "partners".
In the NT/NC, YHWH refers to JESUS as His "Beloved Son". How do the Muslims or even the Baha'is interpret this.
Btw, the Jewish/Hebrew/Greek book of Revelation also show JESUS actually proclaiming Himself as the "Son of YHWH".
How do Muslims explain this? Thanks. http://www.scripture4all.org/ Good Hebrew/Greek/English interlinear Matthew 17:5 Still of-Him talking, behold!, a cloud, bright, overshadows them. And behold!, a voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is the Son of Me/YHWH, the Beloved, in whom I delight, be ye hearing Him!". Acts 3:22 For Moses indeed toward the fathers saying: 'That a prophet to ye shall be raising up Lord, the God/YHWH of ye out of the brothers of ye as Me. Of Him ye shall be hearing according to all as much as ever He should be speaking toward ye'. [Deut 18] Revelation 2:18 And to the messenger of the assembly in Thyatira, write! Now this is saying the Son of the God/YHWH, the One having the eyes of Him as flame of fire, and the feet of Him as to white copper.
I don't know for sure but the "Son of God" title of Bible might be a symbolic one.
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If Allah had willed to choose a son, He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created. IF
Remember this verse was revealed to answer the mankind which stray from the true path of the faith of Ibrahim (AS).
Remember this verse was revealed after the time of Isa Ibn Maryam (AS) on Earth.
Remember this verse confirms Allah never took a "Son"
39:4
If Allah had intended to take a son, He could have chosen anyone He pleased out of His creation: Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible.
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I understand the conditional 'if'.
It means he can.
You guys argue he can't.
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3rd March 2008, 12:33 PM
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Hello little lamb!
You wrote above:
Salam/Shalom/Peace.
I keep hearing Muslims saying that Allah cannot have "partners".
In the NT/NC, YHWH refers to JESUS as His "Beloved Son". How do the Muslims or even the Baha'is interpret this.
Btw, the Jewish/Hebrew/Greek book of Revelation also show JESUS actually proclaiming Himself as the "Son of YHWH".
How do Muslims explain this? Thanks
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I can provide here the Baha'i view... "Son of God" is a title of Jesus...just as "Friend of God" represents a title of Abraham...
Jesus refers to God as Abba or "Father" because of a spiritual relationship not a biological one. The following is what Shoghi Effendi wrote:
"It is true that Jesus refers to Himself as the Son of God, but this, as explained by Bahá'u'lláh in the Íqán, does not indicate any physical relationship whatever. Its meaning is entirely spiritual and points to the close relationship existing between Him and the Almighty God. Nor does it necessarily indicate any inherent superiority in the station of Jesus over other Prophets and Messengers. As far as their spiritual nature is concerned all Prophets can be regarded as Sons of God..."
(see Lights of Guidance 491)
As Christianity spread to pagan areas however in the first centuries... many pagans took this meaning literally ad assumed Jesus was theliteral son of God just as they had previously accepted that Herakles (Hercules or Apollo, etc.) was..
When Prophet Muhammad appeared the Revelation from God was that God has no sons or daughters.
- Art 
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When Prophet Muhammad appeared the Revelation from God was that God has no sons or daughters.
- Art
Thanks Art. I noticed this thread over on the GA board:
http://christianforums.com/t6961879-...n-muslims.html
did-god-trick-over-a-billion-muslims
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4th March 2008, 02:18 AM
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Reps: 26,191,057,393 (power: 26,191,066) | | Originally Posted by Montalban I understand the conditional 'if'.
It means he can.
You guys argue he can't.
The verses are clear here 39: 4. Had Allâh willed to take a son (or offspring or children), He could have chosen whom He pleased out of those whom He created. But glory be to Him! (He is above such things). He is Allâh, the One, the Irresistible. had he willed to take a son, however he does not wil to take a son and he makes it even clearer in the other verses as follows as he indicates how blasphemous it is for anyone to claim that god has a son.It does not befit him ( God ) to have offspring:
19: 35. It befits not (the Majesty of) Allâh that He should beget a son [this refers to the slander of Christians against Allâh, by saying that 'Iesa (Jesus) is the son of Allâh]. Glorified (and Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him). When He decrees a thing, He only says to it, "Be!" and it is. 88. And they say: "The Most Beneficent (Allâh) has begotten a son (or offspring or children) [as the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allâh, and the Christians say that He has begotten a son ['Iesa (Christ) <><>], and the pagan Arabs say that He has begotten daughters (angels, etc.)]." 89. Indeed you have brought forth (said) a terrible evil thing. 90. Whereby the heavens are almost torn, and the earth is split asunder, and the mountains fall in ruins 91. That they ascribe a son (or offspring or children) to the Most Beneficent (Allâh). 92. But it is not suitable for (the Majesty of) the Most Beneficent (Allâh) that He should beget a son (or offspring or children). here again we see that GOD admonishes anyone who claims he has a son or offspring, he even relates the claim as being so evil that the mountains fall in ruins and the earth is split asunder and the heavens are almost torn, it is not just an issue of can and can't.It does not befit him to do so. 35. It befits not (the Majesty of) Allâh that He should beget a son [this refers to the slander of Christians against Allâh, by saying that 'Iesa (Jesus) is the son of Allâh]. Glorified (and Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him). When He decrees a thing, He only says to it, "Be!" and it is. Here again it explains that it does not befit him( god ) to have offspring.it is clear as day i think, it is not just an issue as you claim that muslims argue that he can't.he has all the powers in the universe to do what he wish.But as the verse point one neither does he will to have a son nor does it befit him. 4:171. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh) created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allâh is AllSufficient as a Disposer of affairs. Another clear admonishion, first about the status of Jesus that he was just a prophet, the bible makes it clear in many places that Jesus was a prophet.No doubts about it.And he also warns over the issue of the trinity to desist in saying it.So again we see it is not just a matter of can and can't.It is a matter of will. Peace Yaqovzadeek aka james the jsut
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Mr 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: |
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The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
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Mr 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
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