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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,876) | | Originally Posted by anatolian  The trinitarian Christians say that the majority of christians, %99 or 98, have the belief that Jesus is God and it is only "some" minor ones who think otherwise..I am not living within christians but I woould want to learn your observation. Is the "division" that much? There is acutally more "division" concerning the future return of Jesus and the Endtimes than on the Trinity me thinks
http://www.christianforums.com/t7395041/
John 8:58 and Trinitarians.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7392923/
Matthew 24:3 Of sitting yet of Him upon the Mount of the Olives toward-came to Him the Disciples according to own saying "be telling to us when? shall these-things be and what? the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952> and the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age" [Daniel 12/Revelation 15:1]
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8th November 2009, 01:39 AM
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Reps: 315,242,603,044,083 (power: 315,242,603,051) | | Originally Posted by anatolian Jesus has no Father. This is so simple. You, but , give the example of the robot and it's maker as the maker is a kind of it's father metaphorically. In this sense, God is "the father" of all universe not only Adam or Jesus, wrong?
Sorry for my bad examples, but I was trying to dispel the notion that God isn't Jesus father. I wasn't trying to say anything metaphorically....
Alright. Forget my bad examples. But I'll just make my point and leave it at that:
Jesus is the begotten Son of God, born of the virgin mary, not by sexual union, but by the miraculous power of God. He is Unique and begotten.
Anyway, I'm done discussing.
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That's why Islam doesn't make sense. By saying Jesus has no father, and at the same time he's just like every other man
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Reps: 38,814,811,182,155,304 (power: 38,814,811,182,158) | | [quote=RMDY;53367581] Originally Posted by Rationalt As per Muhammad's thought Allah Has limited capabilities, cause Allah cannot have a son without a wife/consort
God can have a son without having a wife. Not as per Mohammed, though. |
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Reps: 38,814,811,182,155,304 (power: 38,814,811,182,158) | | Originally Posted by Montalban That's why Islam doesn't make sense. By saying Jesus has no father, and at the same time he's just like every other man
The quranic account of Jesus's birth says Allah breathed life in to MARY"s private part.
The literal translation of two quranic verses.([islamawakened.com/Quran/]IslamAwakened Qur'an Pages)
21:91 And who remained chaste/(protected) her genital parts , so We blew into her from Our Soul/Spirit , and We made/created her and her son (as) an evidence/sign to the creations all together/(universes).
66:12 And Mary Amran's daughter who remained chaste (protected) her genital parts between her legs, so We blew in it from Our Soul/Spirit , and she confirmed/was truthful with her Lord's words/expressions, and His Books , and she was from the worshipping humbly.
Both these verses say Allah blew his spirit between Mary's legs.What an imagination  |
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Reps: 18,762,294,747,481,268 (power: 18,762,294,747,485) | | Originally Posted by Montalban That's why Islam doesn't make sense. By saying Jesus has no father, and at the same time he's just like every other man
and the trinity ( 1 God with 3 persons) makes sense? Or that Jesus is a man, he's also the son of god and he's god himself too. Makes sense? Jesus has no father, and at the same time he's just like every other man
Then why don't you worship Adam the son of God and twin brother of Jesus?
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Both these verses say Allah blew his spirit between Mary's legs.What an imagination
False, in Arabic أحصنت فرجها (ahsnt Farjaha) which literally means protected her private parts but when you say it any Arab will understand that it means she never committed adultery.
that's one of the reasons why Qur'an can't be perfectly translated.
the second verse is the same thing same 2 words (ahsnt farjaha) but I see you changed the verse and added new words from your head, I wonder why some Christians fear Islam so much they will make lies in there propaganda against Islam, is it because many Christians convert to Islam?
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Reps: 38,814,811,182,155,304 (power: 38,814,811,182,158) | | Originally Posted by formy False, in Arabic أحصنت فرجها (ahsnt Farjaha) which literally means protected her private parts but when you say it any Arab will understand that it means she never committed adultery.
that's one of the reasons why Qur'an can't be perfectly translated.
What makes you thing you can translate it perfectly?.I gave the link for literal translation. the second verse is the same thing same 2 words (ahsnt farjaha)
In 66:12 The word is فرجها which is VAGINA referred politely as "private parts".GOT IT?
Tafsir ibn kathir also politely says- source: add www to tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=66&tid=54466
quote "And We breathed into it (private part) through Our Ruh" but I see you changed the verse and added new words from your head,
READ THE POST CAREFULLY BEFORE MAKING allegations.The literal translation is provided by islamawakened.com(i already mentioned this)
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