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Dinosaurs were destroyed by the flood with only pais kept on the ark. After the flood they just didn't survive.
Kind of a waste to save them... hmm? Maybe God should have told Noah to leave them off the ark and save space.
Originally Posted by RobertByers
The bible says that there was a clean to unclean ratio of 14:2. Therefore the afterflood world would represent presumely this ratio.
My Bible doesn't say that. Where does yours say it?
Originally Posted by RobertByers
Well then one asks what was the ratio before the flood? Was it the same? 50-50?, or the opposite?.
Isn't the opposite of 50-50, 50-50?
Originally Posted by RobertByers
It is reasonable from the evidence of the bible that some one living 500 years ago could predict that if evidence was found of the pre-flood fauna that it would most likely show a different fauna ratio then their present.
A line of reasoning.
I don't follow this. Surely the writers of Genesis knew little of extinction, and likely thought organisms didn't change much over time.
Originally Posted by RobertByers
In short the bible hints that the pre-flood world had a different fauna.
Again, I don't agree.
Originally Posted by RobertByers
So one can conclude from the fossil record that it was a unclean world in dominance.
How so?
Originally Posted by RobertByers
So dinos etc would be found to have ruled with mammals a minority restricted in area.
We know they were dominate at one time, but certainly not from scripture.
Originally Posted by RobertByers
Afterward clean mammals took over with their ratio head start.
I am not following. What ratio head start?
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My Bible doesn't say that. Where does yours say it?
I am not following. What ratio head start?
I believe he is refering to the part in the flood story where it says to take the unclean animals by 2s and the clean animals by 7s and then apparently interpreting 7s to mean 14 a bit inconsistant to say 14-2. 7-2 or 14-4 would be consistant.
I have heard somewhere that supposedly the reason for taking 7 of each clean animal was that there would be 3 mating pairs and one for sacrafice.
Then again I do not buy into the whole global flood thing nor the blood sacrafice.
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Dinosaurs were destroyed by the flood with only pais kept on the ark. After the flood they just didn't survive.
tell that to dale, he says God decided not to take dinosaurs onboard.
And seeing as you are both making it up as you go along because the bible doesn't mention dinosaurs which fantasy are we to believe?
The bible says that there was a clean to unclean ratio of 14:2.
You can make that 7:1 by dividing both numbers by 2 you know
Therefore the afterflood world would represent presumely this ratio. Well then one asks what was the ratio before the flood? Was it the same? 50-50?, or the opposite?. It is reasonable from the evidence of the bible that some one living 500 years ago could predict that if evidence was found of the pre-flood fauna that it would most likely show a different fauna ratio then their present.
A line of reasoning.
In short the bible hints that the pre-flood world had a different fauna. So one can conclude from the fossil record that it was a unclean world in dominance. So dinos etc would be found to have ruled with mammals a minority restricted in area.
Afterward clean mammals took over with their ratio head start.
Robert Byers
You have zero evidence for this fantasy, but well done anyway
Actually, the number 7 features throughout all ancient religions, as it was the universal cosmological number for the visible planets in our solar system. The ancients were completely unaware of Neptune and Pluto.
Given the massive amount of evidence for this, you have to be comapletely sceptical of any story that utilises this number as part of it's authenticity.
The flood of course, is a FACT. It occurred across a time frame of some 120 millions years with the waxing and waning of the Ice sheets, resulting ultimately in the breach into the Meditteraean and eventually the Black Sea. There is again, collosal evidence for this process, particularly from Ice cores and deep scan imaging of the sea floors.
Given the paleantological evidence for the evolution of man and the extinction of the dinosaurs, both are seperated by 70 odd million years.
No dinosaur ever saw a human or vice versa; at least living.
The demise of the dinosaurs was fundamentally due to their diet.
Of course, there is overwhelming evidence that it was caused by a meteorite strike in South America, but you have to understand that the majority of dinosaurs were vegetarian. This is why they eat stones.
Uh?
Yes - stones. These stones jiggled around inside their digestive systems and crunched up the coarse vegetation that they eat.
Unfortunately, there was a rather unfortunate side effect to this process.
Inodinate amounts of gas!!!
Clearly, at the moment that the metoerite struck and the fireball traversed the land and sea in all directions, every single dinosaur on the planet broke wind!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, you put gas and fire together, and what do you get?
Splitrock:
I'm making a line of reasoning. The bible makes clear there was a clean/unclean ratio difference. Now we find in the fossil record that it was a very different fauna from today. indeed it was a dino world and not the present mammal world.
So since the bible says the clean are more then the unclean then we can reasonably say that unless that was the ratio before the flood then the afterflood was too be different.
I'm just showing that the bible hints that the fauna before the flood was different then after. so its not surprising to find unclean dinos and company in dominance on earth before the flood. The bible comes through again.
Rob byers
The demise of the dinosaurs was fundamentally due to their diet.
Of course, there is overwhelming evidence that it was caused by a meteorite strike in South America, but you have to understand that the majority of dinosaurs were vegetarian.
So, teeth and claws like these:
were for eating plants? I don't think so. What is the point of having foot long spikes for teeth or an 18 inch dagger for nails if not for killing animals? link
This is why they eat stones.
Uh?
Yes - stones. These stones jiggled around inside their digestive systems and crunched up the coarse vegetation that they eat.
Unfortunately, there was a rather unfortunate side effect to this process.
Inodinate amounts of gas!!!
Evidence?
Clearly, at the moment that the metoerite struck and the fireball traversed the land and sea in all directions, every single dinosaur on the planet broke wind!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, you put gas and fire together, and what do you get?
Extinction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please tell me you're kidding. And how does this explain the mass extinction of ichthyosaurs and plesiosaurs, but not the mass extinction of mammals?
All you married people should already know the answer. Mrs. Noah hated the smell of dinosaurs and wouldn't let Mr. Noah bring them on board.
At least Mr. Noah had one thing going for him. Mrs. Noah didn't make him pull over for directions when Mr. Noah couldn't find the French Riveria. Mt. Ararat . . . Nice . . what's the difference, right?
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Splitrock:
I'm making a line of reasoning. The bible makes clear there was a clean/unclean ratio difference. Now we find in the fossil record that it was a very different fauna from today. indeed it was a dino world and not the present mammal world.
So since the bible says the clean are more then the unclean then we can reasonably say that unless that was the ratio before the flood then the afterflood was too be different.
I'm just showing that the bible hints that the fauna before the flood was different then after. so its not surprising to find unclean dinos and company in dominance on earth before the flood. The bible comes through again.
Rob byers
The Bible does not imply that fauna was differnt before the Flood. What animals did God create before the Flood? Cattle, whales, birds. No mention of dinosaurs or any reptiles specifically (other than the talking snake). How was the fauna mentioned any different from today?
You seem to be trying to retofit what science has discovered about the past into what the writers of Genesis wrote about. You are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, but it doesn't fit.
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"It is not the obligation of the State to reconcile various faiths with reality. Do it yourself." -Atomweaver
"It is a false religion that disguises itself as Christianity. It is an Orwellian construct that teaches that Reality is a Lie and that Lies are the Truth. That Science is Religion and Religion is a Personal Relationship; that Belief in the Mundane is Faith and that Atheists have more Faith than Christians. It perverts scripture into making Christianity look foolish, while all the while convincing its victims that they are the "True Christians." It is called Creationism." - Split Rock
[/b][size=2][color=Black][font=Arial]Please tell me you're kidding. And how does this explain the mass extinction of ichthyosaurs and plesiosaurs, but not the mass extinction of mammals?
I am 95% sure you have been POEd.
Congratulations!
__________________ “The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong
"It is not the obligation of the State to reconcile various faiths with reality. Do it yourself." -Atomweaver
"It is a false religion that disguises itself as Christianity. It is an Orwellian construct that teaches that Reality is a Lie and that Lies are the Truth. That Science is Religion and Religion is a Personal Relationship; that Belief in the Mundane is Faith and that Atheists have more Faith than Christians. It perverts scripture into making Christianity look foolish, while all the while convincing its victims that they are the "True Christians." It is called Creationism." - Split Rock
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