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"Creationists are going to distort whatever arguments come up.... Archaeopteryx is half reptile and half bird any way you cut the deck, and so it is a Rosetta stone for evolution, whether it is related to dinosaurs or not. These creationists are confusing an argument about minor details of evolution with the indisputable fact of evolution."
-Dr. Alan Feduccia, in an interview with Discover magazine
Probably not. Apparantly the "real" shelf is cluttered with volumes about magic trees and talking snakes. Who put that there?
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Vance, your creationist is making a lot of assertions and not backing them up. I'd hold his feet to the fire on some of those things like all the scientists who've embraced YECism because it's good science and only converted to Christianity later. Just shrugging it off with "I know I read it somewhere" really isn't good enough. Plus, if you answer his questions in your own words rather than with links to TalkOrigins, he'll have to do likewise if he's to appear to have any credibility in terms of scientific knowledge. At the moment he's stonewalling the whole time.
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Vance, patience is a virtue, and you are far more virtuous than i'd be. I read the threads this is for, and i see only that you have good evidence and the fellow is doing a dance around them. He keeps wanting more and more, up to the actual creatures alive and well in front of him, at which point he would say that they are no longer T.S. but actal species. arrggg. I see why the creationists avoid this forum except to put forth nonsense and run.
I mean,
I don't attack christianity or notions because I am not a theologian(except when certain fundies refuse to actually consider other possibilities, and then its just Ad hominem-I admit it). The line between beleif and science is so blurred over there that I can't take more than a few minutes at a time.
Reading a pile of creationists books about evolution does nothing to explain evolution or biology or microbiology or bichemistry to these people, nor do these books actually seem to have ways to scientifically disprove evolution.
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