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I think it is just a way for people to disregard the call of a Holy God and live in sin with an excuse.
And christianity is just a way for people to disregard logic and delude themselves into happiness so they don't go crazy. Both of those comments make the same amount of sense, that is to say NONE.
I am not enough of a scientist to define my views in precise scientific terms but I will try. By genetic capacity I'm referring to something like fruit fly experiments where they have been manipulated on their relatively simple genetic map to be slightly different and then revert back to their originial form within one or two generations. The known map of their genetic makeup has limited potential to become other types of creatures. If I recall these kind of experiments show they may become better fruit flies to some specific environment or another, but not likely to be anything other than fruit flies because their genetic map is not very extensive. I realize they may be a small branch in the whole of creation, but it seems to illustrate something about genetics. If they could become something significantly different (along with so many other species) why aren't we overwhelmed with transitional forms since this gradual speciation (microevolutionary buildup) would have been occuring for untold ages?
all species are transitional forms. of course drosophila (fruitflies) will always produce drosophila, but some will be drosophila melanogaster and so on. You see the way evolution works is that the offspring inherit the characteristics of the parents. once there were primitive chordata, which has branched off into pretty much all animal life, however we are all still chordata. right from the spider to the slug to the fish to the frog to the dog to the human. so a few tens of millions of years ago, there were the carnivorae, which consisted of the mesonyx... however the mesonyx has since branched off, and we have canines, felines and all the rest... however they are all still carnivorae. if dogs branch off into dalmatians, spaniels, terriers and so on, they will all still be canines. this is how it works.
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I think it is just a way for people to disregard the call of a Holy God and live in sin with an excuse.
It's interesting that most Christians accept evolution, then, isn't it? Care to explain that one?
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The notion that evolution doesn't explain how the variety of life in the world arose including ourselves is preposterous. I remember a while ago, someone arguing if God did create all life, why are there some many varieties of the same body plan (ie, all insects have the same body plan, all vertebrates have 4 basic characteristics, all spiders have 8 legs, all flowering plants have basic similarities, etc.) While this isn't a strong argument, I think it has some validity. Probably though the strongest reason to believe Darwin is how much all of the biological sciences have become united since natural selection was proposed. The evidence is right there. Even a simple look at how birds arose from dionsaurs like raptors or even the similarity between us and fellow primates. Genetics gives us the micro-evolution, but looking at detailed lineages of cladistics will show that there are too many similarities between species for there not to be a relationship between them. To not appreciate that elegance will only leave people ignorant to the world around them and to how God created us.
Believing in an invisible guy living in the sky takes a lot more ignorance than believing that we came from monkeys.
After all, chimpanzees are 97% genetically identical to us... and there are fossil records of intermediates between us and monkeys too, like neanderthals.
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I wouldn't say ignorant, afterall, god hasn't been falsified. Besides, we didn't come from monkeys (I know what you mean, but its still an important distinction).
I wouldn't say ignorant, afterall, god hasn't been falsified. Besides, we didn't come from monkeys (I know what you mean, but its still an important distinction).
Monkey type ancestor -> ape type ancestor -> the human ape.
Are you saying that the monkey type ancestor isn't a monkey, but some.. proto-monkey?
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